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Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Mar 26, 2010 - 01:34am PT
Republibullies.
apogee

climber
Mar 26, 2010 - 03:15am PT
Examples of recent Repug insinuations of violence:

Sarah Palin
"Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"
Today, Governor Palin targeted 20 leftists in the US House of Representatives to be voted out, three of whom are retiring. “Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: ‘Don’t Retreat, Instead – RELOAD!’
http://us4palin.com/gov-palin-dont-retreat-reload/


John Boehner
“Take [Rep.] Steve Driehaus, for example,” he says. “He may be a dead man."
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTc1OWI4MjFkY2Y5YWQ5Y2MxMmYxZDc2MDM5N2QxNmM=


~Coffin placed in front of Carnahan's house
~Rep. Tom Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother’s gas lines were cut
~Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) received death threats
~Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) received a message saying snipers were being deployed to kill children of those who voted for health care overhaul.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34982.html


Man, that kinda shite makes the John Lewis 'N' word & the Barney Frank 'F' word look tame.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/tea-party-protests-nier-f_n_507116.html

Any bets on how long it will be before someone shows up at a teaparty with a white hood & a burning cross with a red elephant on their back?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 26, 2010 - 07:05am PT
The Parable of the Satellite Dish (www.doczero.org)
posted at 11:26 am on March 25, 2010 by Doctor Zero

Imagine a large condominium complex is meeting to consider a package deal with a cable TV company. Over eighty percent of the condo owners have their own satellite dishes, and are quite happy with the service. Some of them don’t bother to watch television at all, preferring to rent movies from Blockbuster or Netflix for entertainment. However, the condominium Board of Directors says they’re getting a lot of complaints from the residents who don’t have satellite dishes, demanding the condo association purchase a cable TV package, and fold its cost into the monthly homeowner dues.

The homeowners already pay extremely high dues, and they’re not happy with the quality of service they receive. They also notice that most of the people clamoring for cable television aren’t even homeowners – they’re renters, so they don’t pay the association fees directly. The condo owners already host regular movie nights at the clubhouse, which also has a well-stocked library, so no one is truly starved for entertainment. Still, the owners feel guilty that anyone has to make do without TV service in their home, so they invite a cable company to give them a sales pitch.

The cable company, BFD Communications, produces an incredibly complicated plan for providing cable television service to the community. The plan is thousands of pages long, and no one even claims to have read the whole thing. They spend the weeks leading up to the big board meeting pestering all of the residents with relentless advertising for their services, covering doorknobs and windshields with brochures. Their presentation at the board meeting is several hours long.

BFD Communications explains that purchasing their service will require a lifetime contract, which can never be broken. The condo residents will be required to deal exclusively with BFD for their entertainment needs – all satellite dishes must go, and even the library will fall under their control. The contract will include funding for a large corporate security force, which will ensure compliance by issuing fines for illegal satellite dishes, or attempts to smuggle rented movies into the development. As this feature of the contract is being explained to the homeowners, a large screen behind the BFD representatives is flashing slogans like “BFD Enhances Competition!” and “BFD Saves You Money!”

The cable TV contract will be fantastically expensive. Curiously, while it is a lifetime contract, the company refuses to discuss the fee schedule beyond the first ten years. An intrepid homeowner studies the contract and discovers the costs double after ten years… and this assessment was prepared by CBO Auditing, a firm which has underestimated the cost of every contract it has ever reviewed. The condo Board rules that only the ten-year projections matter, and the intrepid homeowner is asked to leave the meeting.

Other homeowners announce they’ve been researching BFD Communications, and discovered it has never been able to deliver promised services at the contracted price. Every single project the company has undertaken experienced enormous cost overruns, and delivered poor quality to its customers. Every time a smaller competitor has been allowed to bid against them, the competitor’s price and performance were superior – that’s why BFD demands exclusive lifetime contracts. The people who make this announcement are told their input is not welcome, and asked to leave the meeting.

A resident asks what different packages BFD will offer. She has small children, so she would like educational programming, but she has no interest in premium movie channels, shopping networks, or morally offensive shows. The cable company explains that only one package will be offered. Its purchase will be mandatory, and the high price of its many channels will be charged to all residents. A senile old man in the audience claims the BFD executives promised him there would never be any morally offensive programming.

This prompts an angry homeowner to leap from his seat, waving a portion of the gigantic cable TV contract… which says the members of the condo Board of Directors are exempt from the restrictions, along with some of their friends! They can rent movies, purchase high quality satellite service, and avoid having the exorbitant fees for BFD tacked onto their monthly dues.

A loud argument breaks out in the meeting area, with angry residents howling that they want no part of this terrible deal. These people are told their anger disqualifies them from further participation in the meeting, and they are asked to leave.

The remaining critics of the deal suggest that other alternatives should be explored. There are less expensive entertainment options to consider, and since none of them require lifetime commitments, wouldn’t it make sense to try them first?

The Board of Directors insists that the BFD contract must be signed immediately. It’s simply appalling that anyone in the development should endure a single day without entertainment. Why, all of the surrounding condo developments have already signed up with BFD! They all have appalling service and frequent TV blackouts, they’re all broke, and they borrow security officers from our development to keep their streets safe… but their Boards of Directors all laugh at us for refusing to provide BFD cable service to our residents, and our Board is tired of their mockery. The BFD executives mention that no one will actually receive any cable services for five years, but their fees will begin right away.
The meeting ends with the Board of Directors ignoring the demands of homeowners and voting for that lifetime contract with BFD. The residents leave the meeting hall wondering how they reached the point where a small group of Board members, up for re-election over the next couple of years, were able to ignore the clear wishes of the residents and saddle them with a lifetime contract.

Here are some lessons to ponder from the Parable of the Satellite Dish:
Never accept permanent solutions that are nearly impossible to change, when simpler and more easily modified plans are available. It’s foolish to let the advocates of permanent programs dismiss flexible alternatives before they have been tried.

A proposal that requires you to ignore both the past and the future is a swindle, not a solution.

Free people do not accept restrictions from which their government is exempt. This is one of the differences between leaders and rulers.
A demand for commitment without a guarantee of performance is domination, not service.

When free people are told something is “inevitable,” their response should be an immediate and overwhelming refusal to accept it. Inevitability is a self-fulfilling prophecy in the absence of resistance. Freedom is the never-ending quest for alternatives.

The people who loudly celebrate “diversity” keep coming up with universal plans. Their State is a giant who trims citizens to fit its bed, using rusty implements. The giant, the bed, and the implements were all equal sins in the eyes of our Founders. They come as a set.

When the State refuses to let you debate the terms of its plans individually, you can rest assured the whole is worse than the sum of its parts.

Freedom requires the courage to avoid being stampeded. You should ask more questions about something you are told is an “essential right.” Sober reflection is a hallmark of maturity. A wise State would not require its citizens to act like children.

The State cannot give you anything worth having. You’ll eventually find yourself guilty of the crime of wanting more. As the State fails to live up to its promises, it will be increasingly tempted to convict you of that crime… in advance.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2010 - 09:39am PT
Run away like a pussy, Blue ASS Ring.

MAN UP, Bitch. Apologize.

No one calls me a LIAR or a DEVIL.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Mar 26, 2010 - 09:49am PT
Bookieworm, I don't get it.


Okay Worm, I actually do. Hmmm at least you are not a maggot.

Volunteers for America.



PS I really just want to help this thread get to 20,000. I believe it would be a first in Taco Stand history. And all of Jeff's idiotic (no offence bro') Clash of Civilizations do not count.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 26, 2010 - 10:07am PT
Mexico Gearing Up for U.S. Healthcare Patients
by Roger Hedgecock

03/26/2010


After Obamacare, where will Americans go for quality care?

To Mexico, that's where.

The ink was still drying on the President's signature on the government takeover of American healthcare, when a notice went out from the Institute of the Americas at the University of California San Diego advertising a conference for April 21 entitled "The Future of Health Care for Americans in Mexico."

Mexico has always been the place where Americans can get whatever's banned in America. Alcohol during Prohibition (and underage drinking since), gambling before Indian casinos, Cuban cigars, power plants generating electricity for California that don't meet California environmental standards, maids and gardeners, illegal drugs. You get the idea. All along the border, Americans have always relied on Mexico to provide what we really want but publicly oppose.

Legal drugs too. In the debate a few years ago about prescription drugs, the availability of cheaper drugs in Canada was widely reported in the U.S., in part because the narrative fit the media template of extolling government-run healthcare as better and cheaper. Never mind the thousands of Canadians who come to the U.S. for treatment in a timely fashion—those stories didn't fit the template and were widely ignored.

But for decades, Americans near the Mexican border have traveled South to buy (much) cheaper prescription drugs. Given that it's Mexico, in the same way that Americans should be wary of the authenticity of the street vendor "Cuban" cigar, customers should check the prescription packaging carefully to detect tampering or dilution. But the same drugs and over-the-counter remedies available in the U.S. are available just a few miles away in Mexico for much less.

So too with medical care. Mexican dentists along the border do a land rush business from American customers. Many an eye glass wearer in El Paso bought those glasses in Juarez. Many an American women "on vacation" in Mexico is recovering from cosmetic surgery in a plush Mexican spa.

Quackery thrives in Mexico, too. Got cancer ? Here, take this ground up apricot pit. Right alongside quackery, however, the best medical procedures, practiced by a growing number of excellent Mexican and foreign doctors, flourishes. While official Mexico is a democratically elected powerful central government, the underground economy is traditionally laissez faire.

Might Mexico be the place where many of the disaffected 42% of American doctors go who, in a New England Journal of Medicine poll, who said that they would retire or leave medicine if Obamacare passed ?

Mexicans sense that Obamacare is an opportunity to offer world class medical care to cash paying American patients fleeing the new bureaucratic restraints.

The notice of the "timely" seminar at UCSD describes the situation: "The healthcare reform bill in the United States points to the likelihood of increased demand for differentiated, good, and affordable healthcare options. We believe that this conference will awaken interest in the possibilities and will serve to inform about what is already happening, who the players are, and what is being done to promote health care tourism."

The seminar is open to "anyone wishing to learn more about cross-border healthcare delivery."

Could there be any more revealing judgment about Obamacare than this from the underground capitalist economy of Mexico?


HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Mar 26, 2010 - 10:32am PT
Uh, to flee the "new bureaucratic restraints" you'd have to actually move to Mexico. If you're saying that Republicans are literally crying so hard that they're going to flee to Mexico about this, that's pretty hilarious. Also it's pretty funny that you see "actually getting coverage" as a "restraint."


Oh wait a second. Roger Hedgecock isn't even a journalist and you posted the article like it was from a newspaper or something. You didn't even provide a link! Haha oh man, TGT this is pretty terrible. To what new lows will you sink?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:00am PT
You lie!! Cantor is a lowlife.

http://jed-lewison.dailykos.com/
dirtbag

climber
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:09am PT

Could there be any more revealing judgment about Obamacare than this from the underground capitalist economy of Mexico?


What a joke.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:09am PT
Good one Bob!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:17am PT
Thanks for that link, Bob. This video of Mitt Romney was a great find too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6DrH6P9OC0&feature=player_embedded



Romney douching it up about his healthcare plan vs Obama's. I can't wait to paste this over and over in 2011.

Romney in primary debate: "I like personal mandates because when someone can afford to buy health insurance and then doesn't, and then gets sick and relies on the government. This is a matter of personal responsibility."
apogee

climber
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:49am PT
Not only was Cantor's shooting not even in his own office, it was completely random:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-health-care-threats-cantor,0,2057248.story

Weak. Laughable. Weak.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:51am PT
barry's brilliant plan for handling the mortgage crisis? tell banks to stop collecting the money owed to them...cheat on your taxes = get hired by barry (or elected to congress as a democrat); default on your mortgage = get the government (that's YOU and ME) to cover your ass

http://themoderatevoice.com/67387/if-this-is-true-then-shame-on-you/

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:52am PT
the ap finally reads the health care bill...AFTER it becomes law:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gmzNv5LYXOA6UM_XmUHdOe9augtQD9ELVL3G1
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:53am PT
Cantor taste in music is about developed as his brain.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/25/eric-cantor-attends-britn_n_179160.html
Binks

Social climber
Mar 26, 2010 - 11:59am PT
McCain is back with Palin. No further proof of the total ineptitude of the GOP is needed than this pairing.

Palindramia def: The recurrence of a disease

Cain. There's a bible story about that guy... not very promising one.

The universe pretty much lays it out in symbols for us everywhere.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 26, 2010 - 12:02pm PT
Just ignore the dumbfuks.


Not one of them has even the intellect of a third grader.

And they all RUN and HIDE when challenged to MAN UP and stick around and
debate.

So, like the pussies they are, they post some crap and run.


Cut and Run.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Mar 26, 2010 - 12:06pm PT
I'm glad that John E and Ksolem post here..they are moderates and have a number of good points to debate.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 26, 2010 - 12:16pm PT
I don't suppose those of you bitching about Palin were stupid enough to have voted John Edwards for VP, were you?
apogee

climber
Mar 26, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
Umm, Chaz, that's not exactly the way the election process works- the veep comes with the Prez- you don't get a choice.

It's unfortunate, but true. Remember Dan Quayle?
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