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nature
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Boulder, CO
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BTW.... I can't believe Man City lost to Chelsea at home!
Playoffs are unpredictable, my only pick.....Broncos and Seahawks will not meet in the Superbowl.
and somewhere up thread I predicted 40-10.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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It's just that Seattle is way better at everything than any other team in the league.
rub it in why doncha ;-)
post a pic of that hat...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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So it's not that the NFC is better than the AFC. It's just that Seattle is way better at everything than any other team in the league.
Thank you for the detailed and very thoughtful response. Everything you said made a lot of sense and worked for me as a partial explanation. But this last sentence doesn't seem to me like a conclusion that really answers my overarching question. Let me restate it in another way.
Okay, you claim that Seattle is that much better. But, really, SF almost went to the SB instead of Seattle. Surely you'll admit that it was at least close. At least you'll surely admit that SF was a FAR stronger team than was Denver. It seems from watching SF and Seattle play, that either would have given Denver a similar stomp-down, and, honestly, I thought that SF played better in the NFC championship game, except for some oddities, than did Seattle. Until right at the end, I fully expected to see SF play Denver.
So, you've got at least two teams in the NFC that are better than the best team in the AFC. But the stats are even worse. The NFC has beat the AFC significantly more in the SB. They also (prior to the lame change) beat the AFC more in the Pro Bowl.
I could go on and on. It just seems pretty clear that the NFC is stronger than the AFC. In this case, this SB in particular, the disparity was SO great that the "best" against the "best" was laughable. And that's what bothers me.
I, among many Denver fans, was not sitting around feeling like, "Oh yeah! We've SO got this!" I KNEW that Seattle (or SF) was going to put up an amazing fight and that such a strong defense was going to pose a SERIOUS problem. (Apparently I took this more seriously than the Denver team did. lol) But, I had hopes (not confidence, mind you) that Denver's offense could pull it off (barely, according to the odds-makers). So, imagine my shock to see such an amazing blow-out.
And THAT is what begs the question: Exactly HOW can the blow-out be that bad? And that leads to the fork in the road....
1) Denver basically didn't show up (for some reason), making Seattle look even better than they are.
2) Seattle really is that much better than Denver.
If (1), then the problem is localized to the Denver team and management, and they can sort that out as they please. I have no ax to grind there.
If (2), however, THIS is where my overarching question becomes pressing! I then want to know HOW the two sides of NFL get THAT out of whack. And then, your above answer strikes me as a very, very inadequate account of the situation.
Sorry for being long-winded, but it's hard to craft the nuances of what's bothering me here. I hope this makes a bit more sense than the earlier way I cast my question.
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Aya K
Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
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post a pic of that hat...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I was going to post thoughts similar to madbolter. As in, if it was simply the case that Seattle is "way better at everything than any other team in the league" then they would not have almost been beaten by SF a couple of weeks ago.
Which raises questions like:
If Seattle really was that much better than Denver, they would be hanging 100 points on teams that Denver scored 40 or 50 against. Is that really the case?
Would SF (or even New Orleans) have beaten Denver almost as easily?
If the Super Bowl were played fresh ten times, would Seattle flatten Denver exactly the same way every time?
Whatever is going on, that was one strange football game.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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The World Cup begins in June in Brasil!!!!
That's gunna have some REAL FUTBOL!!!!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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What I think is a little messed up is that both SF and SEA are in the same division. Seems like both of those teams will be just as strong as this year during the next season. Even though it will be interesting to watch them play each other twice after what happened during last two seasons, but I think it will be a little unfair that one of them will have to be a wildcard team to make the playoffs. SF had to win two road playoff games to even get to Seattle. That's a lot of extra work for a team that would otherwise be rewarded a home field advantage and a first round BYE..
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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I stopped watching that ridiculous video after the first "example".
shoulder pad to helmet. it was the right call and blatantly obvious in replay.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Seems like NFC East and North will be VERY weak compared to South and West. South will have Carolina, NO and Atlanta fighting for the #1 spot. And in the West with SF, Seattle, and Arizona it will be a group of death. St. Louis Rams is not a particularly light team neither. I think if placed in NFC East all 4 of those teams would have a really high chance of taking the #1 spot. Just not a very balanced league.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Without reading the article I am here to tell ya those were standard USN
carrier LSO hand signals for
"YOU'RE TOO FAST! WAVE OFF! WAVE OFF!"
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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In 2010 Seattle won the NFC West with a 7-9 record. It was the worst division in the league. A few years later it's the best.
The salary cap is designed to try and achieve parody. When a team wants to start over and cut bait it gets nailed the first year. After that it can start to build up.
The Seahawks are so dam good right now because they started with a lot of cap space. They manage it very very very well.
As far as my comment: It's just that Seattle is way better at everything than any other team in the league.
I get to say that cuz they gots the hardware to prove it.
I could go on and on about what seattle is doing right. But when you have idiots like Jerry Jones and Daniel Schneider that think they know what is best for their football team you will have teams that suck.
Mr. Kraft has been winning in NE because he knows his place. Paul Allen is the same - he leaves it to JS and PC and those two guys are kicking some serious butt right now.
If there is disparity it's less about how the NFL is set up and more about the way individual teams are run.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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There are currently between 300,000 and 500,000 lunatics lining the street below my office window to watch as the Seahawks parade from the Space Needle to the Clink.
They've come from all over the Pacific Northwest and Southwestern BC. Some started staking out positions yesterday evening and spent the night on the street, despite the fact that we had record cold temps. When I cycled through that area at 08:00 this morning they were out in full lounge chair and picnic mode. In sub-freezing weather.
Lunatics
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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SPD says there are 700,000 lunatics out watching the parade, boss.
woooohooooo....
Go 'Hawks!
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Feb 19, 2014 - 01:15am PT
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Can't resist posting this:
http://vimeo.com/86925492
Not you tube but Vimeo so you'll need to click on the link. Not anything malicious I promise! Well...unless you are Denver Broncos Fan!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 28, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
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To his credit Goodell apologized for the weak reaction and they are instituting tougher penalties for all nfl personnel.
I'd like to see something done about the low hits to the knees we are seeing too much of. Now that hits to the head are so restricted. As they should be. Yes that leaves a narrow field to hit but a full force blow should only be to the torso.
Levis stadium the "field of jeans" is an oven. I wonder how much of it is due to the huge wall of glass luxury boxes reflecting sun onto the visitors side?
Anyway I also want to bump this thread with the true sport of football in America. What "football" is in any particular country is what is the most popular form of football in that country. No Americans go to England and demand association football should be called soccer there.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 28, 2014 - 06:02pm PT
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I posit that when America's pastime is mesmerizing the masses their asses are growing at an accelerated rate......the offensive lineman look is in!
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Aug 28, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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According to USA Today, Condoleezza Rice, former Sec. of State, is a member of the thirteen person college playoff committee. Maybe she is there to keep the peace. Maybe she loves football. It will be interesting to hear what she has to say about it months from now.
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yosemite 5.9
climber
santa cruz
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Aug 28, 2014 - 07:19pm PT
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Well, I guess it didn't take long for her to speak up.
NEW YORK—Saying that she could use a short reminder of why she has a significant sway in the shaping of the collegiate sports landscape, sources confirmed that former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spent the first 15 minutes of a College Football Committee meeting Monday asking board members to explain what the f*#k she was doing there. “Before we get started, I just want to quickly ask: Does anybody have a reasonable explanation for why I’m sitting here to deliberate the rankings of a bunch of football teams?” said Rice, adding that she was hoping for further clarification on what possible aspect of her decades of work and life experience made her appear remotely qualified, or even interested in, a job that entails determining whether LSU is a better football team than Michigan State. “Just to clarify, they decided to replace a computer algorithm with 13 people from across the country, and that group needed to include a former Secretary of State and a retired lieutenant from the Air Force. And now, I’ll be relied upon every week to hash out the relative strengths and weaknesses of each team in the SEC, ACC, and Pac-12. That make sense to anyone?” Sources confirmed that a visibly frustrated Rice then leaned back in her chair and asked to see the chart of offensive efficiency ratings so she could “get this stupid f*#king thing over with.”
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