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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2010 - 08:37pm PT
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Looking for headification?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jun 12, 2010 - 08:55pm PT
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And that's why I said "traditionally"... though it should be noted that any number of Catholic scholars will give you a run for your money in a debate regarding Mark as the earliest.
Frankly, I could care less.
The real issue is this inherent willingness to accept the absurd as truth primarily BECAUSE it is absurd.
And then claim that as an appropriate and final argument for the existence of a Christian God.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jun 12, 2010 - 08:55pm PT
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rrrADAM- "Christian observation of Sunday come from?"
Because Jesus was raised from the dead on Sunday morning.
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:09pm PT
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donini- "my church is the outdoors!"
Actually the outdoors is an excellent place to worship cause "church" isn't a building per se... "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them."
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:12pm PT
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True, but when it comes to the "God question" I am a committed atheist. I do feel a spiritual connection with the natural world.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:24pm PT
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Donini -- "I do feel a spiritual connection with the natural world."
Nothing new here at all.
Everything feels a spiritual connection with the natural world .....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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Werner I only wish that were true. How many members of the previous Bush administration would you include in that group?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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headification--there you go, locker.
one of the guys i know who became a devout muslim was a student bum in new york city. he looked up one day and saw "a gorgeous moroccan babe". next thing you know he's got a phd in arabic folklore and faces mecca five times a day. i would've gone to that church too.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:36pm PT
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Everything is connected knowingly or unknowingly.
That's why you call it the natural material world.
Nothing new there, it's got nothing to do with politics.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:48pm PT
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Semantics Werner. The environment (my natural world) is constantly compromised in the name of "progress." Short term greed is easily rationalized if you believe that the "rapture" is just around the corner.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 12, 2010 - 09:56pm PT
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I don't know about god - but whoever or whatever made Vidalia onions and put them on sale today at FoodsCo has my appreciation.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:03pm PT
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I belong to The Church of What's Happening Now, same as Flip Wilson
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
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Everyone knows that God so loved Man that he created the Vidalia onion. What about Brussel sprouts?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
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Rapture is everywhere right now... "The kingdom of God is set upon the earth but men do not see it."
They're too busy anticipating what "will not come by expectation."
If God is, if life is, if rapture is, it is only in the immediate moment here right now and nowhere else where ever the hell you are.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:09pm PT
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Brussel sprouts were spawned in the sulfurous pits of hell.
Or at least Gilroy.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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Gilroy, aren't you talking about garlic? Ah garlic....now there is an argument for "Intelligent Design."
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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Gilroy and Garlic - yes sir you are correct.
But that whole end of the Salinas Valley also grows those fart-stained sprout nuggets from Brussels as a "bridge crop" before the garlic harvest comes in July.
I think they sell them mostly to old ladies in Carmel.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 12, 2010 - 10:49pm PT
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"The environment (my natural world) ..."
Huh?
It's only yours?
I thought it's all of OURS, the whole planet, universe and everything included .....
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Jun 13, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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paul roehl- "I believe because it is absurd."
You quoted 1 Corinthians 1:21 "...the folly of what we preach..."
What was being preached was/is looked at as folly(foolish)by the world, not Paul or God!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 10:31am PT
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politics is connected too, werner. everything isn't "good". but it seems 'most everyone wants it to be.
"the devil made me buy that dress." -- flip wilson
same church i go to, donino.
when i was a kid, i used to be an altar boy. the greatest moment of the week was when we got outa mass and headed for the lake. the comic relief was incredible.
bob guccione, founder of penthouse magazine, had a similar experience. he thanks his catholic upbringing for oversensitizing him to sex for the rest of his life. communion with the atman 10 million times better than sex? those guys were never raised catholic.
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