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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Original Post - Sep 30, 2006 - 09:31pm PT
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Am I missing something. Is it logical to believe in something that cannot be proved?
Why do you believe in God?
JDF
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2006 - 09:51pm PT
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But what is bleak.
So what if at death our whole existence ends.
Is that a big deal?
JDF
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CorporateDog
climber
Middle California
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Sep 30, 2006 - 09:51pm PT
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The desperately sincere pyschological craving for a feeling that someone cares about them.
Or fear.
Speaks to the sad and pitiful void within humanity at large.
Personally, I lean towards the "opiate of the masses" opinion of religion as societal control.
Religion may well have sprung from a sincere proto-human desire for explanation of an amazing world - but a few thousand years of dubious human interference has given us a factuous, divisive, profiteering perversion that enslaves more than enlightens.
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Mom
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 30, 2006 - 09:54pm PT
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Who else to you ask for help when you have just pulled your three year old from the deep end of the pool and he's not breathing; or who else do you talk to when you have just been diagonsed with terminal cancer; who do you call out to as you are riding in the ambulance with the love of your life who has just suffered severe head trauma?
elcapfool --- you are NO fool!!
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:07pm PT
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Because it makes so many other things fall into place.
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CorporateDog
climber
Middle California
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:24pm PT
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God?
I really like the idea of god as Alanis Morrisette in Dogma playing skeeball and turning cartwheels in the flowers. The Greeks probably had the best take on this idea.
More likely is that we are sentient probes emitted by a central conscious energy to "live" on Earth in order to absorb as many experiences and data inputs as possible. When you "die" - you report back and download.
I've been told that the central entity really gets pissed at couch potatoes and career Walmart employees.
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John Barleycorn
climber
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:25pm PT
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because it always gives you one last chance to be saved from whatever you're praying to be saved from. be that finishing the last three pitches in a lightning storm or getting through traffic to be on time for a meeting. People pray to god about everything they feel they don't have control over and hope god will save them. i think people should spend more time believing in themselves.
jb
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Sioux Juan
Big Wall climber
Costa Mexico
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:39pm PT
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I called his name the last time that red light showed up in my rear view mirror.....it was a miracle I blew a 0.00 when I should have broke a record. or maybe it turned over ?
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andanother
climber
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:54pm PT
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because people don't like to take responsibility for their own actions.
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CorporateDog
climber
Middle California
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:56pm PT
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Senor DeFuca - the question to ask is whether a god exists BECAUSE we are here in its grace, or, does a god exist BECAUSE the collective "we" believes in the concept.
To the ancients, their gods were as real to them as our dieties are today. Yet, when theose ancient cultures died - did not their gods die with them?
Given a few centuries - I would not be suprised to find the future humans worshipping some other form of supreme being with Jesus, Yahweh, Muhammed, etc only to be found in history books somewhere between Ashtar and Zeus.
Anything is real if enough people believe it to be so.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 30, 2006 - 10:58pm PT
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NOT TRUE Corpdog
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville
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Sep 30, 2006 - 11:02pm PT
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"I called his name the last time that red light showed up in my rear view mirror.....it was a miracle I blew a 0.00 when I should have broke a record. or maybe it turned over ? "
Stevo,
after witnessing more than a couple of your insane runnouts in Toulomne I'd say you definitely have someone watching out for you brother!
--wayne
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Sep 30, 2006 - 11:04pm PT
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i don't believe in anything.
i find belief just gets in the way.
i just do stuff.
no offense intented towards god or true believers.
(mobius)
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Mimi
climber
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Sep 30, 2006 - 11:12pm PT
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You gotta believe in that Rocky Mountain high, don't ya Roy?
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CorporateDog
climber
Middle California
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Sep 30, 2006 - 11:15pm PT
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Werner - of COURSE everything I say is NOT TRUE...to someone.
Opinion creates bias which begats belief which converts to truth then finally to dogma. It is a closed loop.
Ideas, on the other hand, allow one to explore any number of possibilities.
Is not "inifinty" the root concept of divinity?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2006 - 11:30pm PT
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Some events can seem like Magic or a God stepped in and saved the day. But what about all the kids that drown in the pools.
The more I study Buddhism the more I like it.
The Buddha said we do not even have a soul. I really like the idea of not having a soul.
JDF
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Hurricane
Trad climber
Eldorado Springs
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Sep 30, 2006 - 11:35pm PT
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I trust in God becasue I believe that there are good reasons for belief that God exists, and that he will hold me accountable for the life He gave me. One being that human beings have innate sense of right or wrong (that they ought to do something, or not something in a given situation). Call that your consciousness of your soul or whatever you like. I think God is the best, logical explanation for where that actually came from in human beings. If God doesn't exist, then where does this sense of morality come from. It might be the case we feel something we call guilt because we actually are guilty, guilty before God and his standards (example, eveyone has broken at least some, probably most are all of the 10 commandments-myself included).But I think we have all felt guilt and shame for one reason or another in our lives. Why do we have that? I believe that God gave us that for a reason. Anyways, all you CA guys and gals missed a beautiful 80 deg day in Eldo today after the 2 feet of snow in mountains from a few days back. Cheers, AK!
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Sep 30, 2006 - 11:37pm PT
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You'd probably like what Dawkins has to say even more. Buddhism contains a lot of valid psychology but it still appeals to mystical mumbo-jumbo, largely because that's what uneducated people like. Rituals, smoke and mirrors, and subservience to the will of an all-knowing priesthood provide a lot of mental stability in a world that seems otherwise incomprehensible.
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WBraun
climber
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hehehe
You guys spend all your time trying to get rid of God.
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