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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 23, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
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One of the surest signs of a distortion of human rights under God is a patriarchal society protecting women from THEMSELVES!
You know, wear a burqa because your body is inherently evil and tempting, so you are really better and safer to be covered head-to-foot in hot, black cloth.
As long as the fetus depends entirely upon the woman's body for its very existence, it is properly a part of a woman's body, and she has the ultimate say over whether it continues to exist or not.
Government should not be in the mix AT ALL.
You Christian zealots on this subject should be putting your time, efforts, and money into education rather than legislation. Pretty much on every "moral" subject.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 23, 2014 - 04:40pm PT
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Government should not be in the mix AT ALL.
Hey i agree with you whole-heartedly. In a country whose motto is "Live Free or Die" shouldn't everything be legal! So why can't i drive my Porsche 140mph
if i want to? And why can't i shoot-up heroin at Starbucks or exchange a little money to a woman for a little pleasure? Hell, i can't even water my own trees with my own greywater legally.
Laws are meant to be broken. Jesus even said so.
Should we(our government)try to hold the bar up high to cause people to aspire? Or should we jus lay the bar on the ground and let them step over it?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 23, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
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question for Blu
do you support laws that make abortion illegal?
and if so what should the penalty be?
if abortion is "murder' to you, Blu, then should a woman's sentence be life in prison, or what?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 23, 2014 - 05:30pm PT
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^^^i don't condone pre-marital sex, let alone abortions. i'm not so much against abotions, as i am against what it took to get to the position to warrant an abortion. The average cost for an abortion is $450. the average cost for a cast on a broken arm is $4500. There's something wrong there!
Maybe the "Dad" should HAVE to pay for the abortion plus pay a fine?
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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Jun 23, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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Speaking of what Jesus said, he also said it was okay to have slaves.
Wouldn't it be great to have America follow God's laws and own people again?
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 23, 2014 - 08:29pm PT
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You stupid Americans are already slaves.
You're not free one bit at all.
You are slaves to your own bodies and all it's material desires life after life reaping untold continuous karmic reactions life after life .....
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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Jun 23, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
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^^^^ Really brings it home.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 23, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
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Speaking of what Jesus said, he also said it was okay to have slaves
No He didn't.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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Jun 23, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
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You seem pretty sure. Would it bother you if Jesus was okay with slavery?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 24, 2014 - 12:42am PT
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Hey i agree with you whole-heartedly. In a country whose motto is "Live Free or Die" shouldn't everything be legal! So why can't i drive my Porsche 140mph
if i want to? And why can't i shoot-up heroin at Starbucks or exchange a little money to a woman for a little pleasure? Hell, i can't even water my own trees with my own greywater legally.
All of your examples cite laws that are argued to protect people from the effects of other people.
Abortion is not affecting a person, thus no law is needed to protect a person from the effects of other people.
You will say the fetus is a person, but that IS the exact basis of the argument itself.
So, your examples are either entirely irrelevant or question-begging. Which do you prefer?
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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Jun 24, 2014 - 04:56am PT
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If everything is legal isn't that lawlessness?
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Jun 24, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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I'd like to thank some of you guys for expressing what we would've had expressed had we cared to write once more about war-on-woman subjects.
Thank you, appreciated.
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Pate
Trad climber
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Jun 24, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
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once again someone speculates, cant believe it would be Flashy P's Mom.
Flashy-P died a month ago after eating pop-rocks and drinking ten of those 5 hour energy drinks at once.
DMT why am i spineless? what a spineless ting to say in one's absence!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 24, 2014 - 03:30pm PT
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Speaking of what Jesus said, he also said it was okay to have slaves
No He didn't.
yes, Jesus certainly DID approve of slaves...as did his Father
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 24, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
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GEEZ Norton, what do they teach you in catholic school???
Those books were written 1500 yrs before Christ through Moses to going astray Jews. Do you know why they were going astray? In those days slavery was not against Governments laws. God taught the Jews these Truths because..............
Oh, never mind
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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Jun 24, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
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Not sure why, but I'll ask again.
Where does Jesus ever say anything against slavery? You'd think he might have an opinion considering how widespread it was.
Although, he did have some interesting things to say about family life: "Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters...cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26
"Whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Matthew 5:32
Jesus on sin: "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away." Matthew 5:29
Cannibalism: "...my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him." John 6:53-66
Partying: "I came eating and drinking, and you say, "Look, a glutton and a drunkard...'" Matthew 11:19
Wealth: "Sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." Luke 18:22; Mark 10:21; Matthew 19:21
Well what do you know...Jesus was a kinda creepy, hard partying commie.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Jun 24, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
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Those books were written 1500 yrs before Christ through Moses to going astray Jews.
Uhh... FAIL!
Paul (well after the time of Christ) wrote the Epistle to Philemon encouraging him to return to his master and submit himself as a good slave should.
Nothing in the Bible condemns slavery, and the most canonized apostle flatly told a runaway slave to "get back into the chains" (paraphrase).
Show me anywhere in the Bible that abortion is even mentioned, and show me anywhere in the Bible where slavery is condemned.
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phillip mike revis
climber
snowbird, ut
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Jun 24, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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no we are not a Christian nation! we are a human nation!
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 24, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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sure you didn't mean an Obamanation?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 24, 2014 - 08:58pm PT
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Norton i just prayed that God would open ur eyes and ur heart to understanding.
Uhh... FAIL!
Paul (well after the time of Christ) wrote the Epistle to Philemon encouraging him to return to his master and submit himself as a good slave should.
Uhh, wher did i fail?
The questions concerned Exodus and Leviticus.
Paul knew that a man must submit to his government. And if a man was a slave, he was to be a good slave. No matter what your job is, you are to do it to the best of your ability to honor your Father in heaven.
the original statement;
Speaking of what Jesus said, he also said it was okay to have slaves.
i don't see anywhere in the bible Jesus said that!
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