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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 6, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
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We are much more. We are a mosaic of different creeds, colors and cultures. We are a nation where the children of parents who couldn't speak english win the National Spelling Bee. We are a land where, more than nearly everywhere else, opportunity is a function of striving more than it is of birth. Everyone here, with the exception of Native Americans, is an immigrant or a descendent of immigrants.
Anyone who believes we are a nation based on one color, creed or culture is on the wrong side of history.
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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Thank you Capt. D.
Wait a minute, you are the big J for many here...
Sure you're not setting up a competing business, err religion?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
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Five weeks of total climbing immersion Tami, and the fact that I have seen that sentiment (Christian Nation) expressed several times lately.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Can we at least blame them for the genocide of the Native inhabitants?
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Rudbud
Gym climber
Grover Beach, CA
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Donini, are you trying to brain wash me? My parents told me different.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I think we should now pause for a Christian prayer.
And, according to this week's US Supreme Court decision, any of you who don't like it "can just leave the room."
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John M
climber
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Donini for SCOTUS.
you want Donini for your ball sack? ??
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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I pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nut again, under God wasn't added to the pledge until 1954. We can't claim that came from the founders.
The money (Moloch) also says under god, not christ, for what it's worth.
Not Christian American
Not Christian American on the right
Christian from the right
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Until someone provides me with an authoritative definition of "Christian Nation," I find the statement meaningless. I have, however, heard many Christians speak as if the U.S. is the Kingdom of the Second Coming -- something I regard as blasphemy.
If, however, someone claims that we can understand American history without the background of the Bible and Christianity, I would differ -- and rather strongly. If nothing else, some of America's most famous orations, including but not limited to Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty or give me death" speech, Lincoln's "House divided" speech, or Bryan's "Cross of Gold" speech, assumed a Biblical knowledge that would color listeners' responses.
Then again, I wonder if current students of American History know of the existence of any of those speeches. Given some of the bizarre opinions I've heard, I would have rational cause to think that a significant number of my countrymen think World War II was when President Wilson freed the slaves.
John
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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The earth belongs to no humans. We just rent little spots of it for as long as we can muster the physical force to defend it, or pay protection money (e.g. property taxes in U.S.) to someone else who will muster the physical force for us. This is the natural law.
I'm working on my Werner-like aphorisms... not quite pithy enough yet, but with practice I can get there.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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The Moral Majority is neither
Just as they intended American politics hasn't been the same since the self anointed High Moralists threw their money and mouths into politics. (which they had the right to do)
For truly Moral Christian leaders I refer you to Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers among many many others. The new Pope is even looking pretty good.
Jerry Falwell can go to his Hell....which he very well might have done.
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Sanskara
climber
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Idk know what to say other than I second your senatments...
And I wanna move to patagonia and live off the grid for the rest of my days.
Forget about all this political and money and media driven bullsh#t.
I know I know ignorance is not bliss it is ignorance but but but...
And living in the wild is work I know but but but but...
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Here's some more 'persecution' for the Chief Justice of Supertopo ...from "The US is a Christian Nation, Dammit." thread, courtesy of Port.
Port
Trad climber
San Diego
Mar 12, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
It's odd to me that so many people seem to think that our country was founded on, and needs to return to, christian values. Here are a few of my favorite quotes from our founding fathers.
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."
-Thomas Paine (Glenn Beck's homeboy)
"lighthouses are more helpful than Churches"
-Benjamin Franklin
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."
-John Adams
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
-James Madison
"I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
-George Washington
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dirtbag
climber
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you want Donini for your ball sack? ??
Sure, why not? They'd get bigger as a result.
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John M
climber
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tami needs wood
tami needs wood
tami needs wood
hahahaha…
okay okay.. I'm in 5th grader mode today.. stupid joke…
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WBraun
climber
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Just see Americans dazed and confused here.
The American religion is "MONEY".
Gimi gmi gmi some money.
Americans prostitute themselves to the holy dollar ......
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