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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 30, 2010 - 08:57pm PT
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soooo, you are sayin you're a high school kid and ain't never been nowhere or talked to nobody? mostly just livin in yer white neighborhood, goin to your white school?
I love when you race-baiters pull this crap because I have literally been around the world. I've lived in 3 foreign countries and visited far more. Does that make me more able to comment on these issues? Less Able if I hadn't?
I don't think so. But you f*#king people think if you visit a country, you're suddenly an expert. It's amazing, the arrogance.
And yeah, my travels did take me to some Islamic states.
EDIT:
Here it is the arrogance!!!!
I am just going off the level of intelligence and worldliness you display.
WTF??? You're "worldly", WTF is that????
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dirt claud
Sport climber
san diego,ca
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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Your definantly not worth my time Matt. It's best to go climb now.
By the way when was the last time you were here brainiac. Yeah, It's all white peolpe here? Where the hell did you get that assumption. were you hanging out in La Jolla or Del Mar cause those are the money spots. You got a lot a dinero there. Is that where you were hanging out, perhaps that's why you thought it was all white people here.
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dirt claud
Sport climber
san diego,ca
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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ok one more before I go.
Granitclimber.
If you would like me to take you to Tabasco, Mexico so you can visit my "not rich" mexican family and question them about me that would be fine with me. You just have to buy your own plane ticket it's kind of pricey. Maybe we can check out the ruins at Palenque as well. Man, it really takes a lot to prove yourself around here. Visting family, sending birth certificates, etc....
Here is a picture at least for now, hope it will suffice
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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i've been to san diego, plenty, and believe it or not, it's pretty damn white
Matt- I don't know what DC did to punch your buttons, but give it a rest. You obviously don't know shite about SD, so stick with what you know.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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"pretty white" is "pretty relative"
i am aware that san diego's demographic varies significantly.
i am also aware that you are lumping all muslims into one group, so yes, i'll make a few assumptions about you. i find it surprising that you'd hear so much anti-immigrant negativity wrt mexicans (which i could assume you have a reasoned opinion on?) and yet fail to draw any conclusions about where all the anti-muslim negativity comes from...
maybe you'll grow into a more critical thinker.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Aug 30, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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Man, it really takes a lot to prove yourself around here.
dirt,
If you were not to wear the internet Burqua ( avatar that is not your real name ) you would not have such a hard time.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 30, 2010 - 10:09pm PT
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From Wikipedia, Hispanics make up some 27% of San Diego's population.
Or, a pretty darn big number, especially compared to the rest of the country
2006-08 American Community Survey estimates
According to the 2006-2008 American Community Survey,[47] the racial composition of the city was 67.4% White (Non-Hispanic Whites: 48.2%), 6.7% Black or African American, 0.7% Native American, 14.7% Asian, 0.4% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, 6.5% from some other race, and 3.6% from Two or more races. Hispanic or Latinos (of any race) make up 27.3% of the total populatio
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 30, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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Yeah come on, Matt. Have some respect. Squabbling and insulting other's intelligence is LEB's job! At least you weren't patronizing. Take that one from her and she'll snap. You should know better by now! It sets you up for ridicule.
And can you imagine what would happen if people ridiculed each other? HERE? On THIS forum?!?
Give it a rest so we don't have to listen to Mother Hen squawk.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Aug 30, 2010 - 11:26pm PT
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If you were not to wear the internet Burqua (avatar that is not your real name ) you would not have such a hard time.
Doug- if you took less than one minute to look into his avatar, you would find out that the veil is pretty thin and he's not trying to hide anything.
Frankly, using your real name is a rookie move that shows little imagination and invites all sorts of spam into your life.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:27pm PT
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blew-
you are taking those statements out of context, out of the context of the whole back and forth just before.
when someone definitively states something like "there is only one kind of muslim" or "there is only one interpretation of the koran", THAT is what is arrogant, and it's also ignorant. in my miind, it also demonstrates the following:
1) that the person saying those things has apparently never had a conversation of any substance with a muslim, or at least with anyone they knew was a muslim.
2) they have heard similar statements themselves, and they have no life experiences or personal relationships that would cause them to question what they "have heard" about muslims, or about islam.
now then, does everyone that travels the world meet muslims? no. does every american that travels the world actually speak to people in foreign countries about anything but where to buy food or exchange money? unfortunately, no, not by a long shot.
does taking the time to actually talk to real people help one to understand all of the people in the world who are not american? of course it does.
so again, being completely unworldly perpetuates ignorance, while experiences like traveling to other countries are opportunities (though not guarantees) to understand and appreciate the people and diversity in the world we all share, and to learn about people who often live quite differently that we might.
lastly, whether or not YOU PEOPLE want to hear it, this is a debate that is DRIVEN by IGNORANCE. i see no reason to sugar coat that fact.
racism in america was(is?) driven by ignorance as well. you don't see people who actually know black people talking about black people being different or inferior in some way- same goes for asians or hispanics.
the same is true of homophobia. a generation after gays came out in mass in our country and began to demand equality in our society, and as more and more americans are personally familiar with one or more gay persons, we are at the threshold of legalizing gay marriage.
[edit]it's not all black and white, there are other factors obviously- what your parents and peers think and say, whatever inability to accept people that your church may push down your throat, whatever, obviously there are other variables at play[/edit]
so who is typically more likely to be racist?
and who is typically more likely to be homophobic?
generally speaking, it's people without much contact or personal experience with these groups of people. personal contact and life experiences bring familiarity, awareness, and knowledge- the opposite of ignorance.
people with those experiences tend to be (again, speaking generally) less racist, and less homophobic.
why are we talking about racism and homophobia?
because the same damn thing is true of this anti-islamic fever we sometimes see in our country. it's driven by ignorance, the kind that comes from simply not knowing anything, one way or the other.
it's an ignorance cake with a fear frosting.
it goes down easy, and it gets all over your face.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Tahoe City/Talmont , CA
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:43pm PT
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Frankly, using your real name is a rookie move that shows little imagination and invites all sorts of spam into your life.
It actually shows you are proud of; 1. who you are and 2. the beliefs you hold.
Have no spam in my life.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:50pm PT
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btw-
the word is out about all you ignorant ugly americans!
you are currently being made fun of all over the www!
so hey, at least you got that goin for ya...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-already-knows-everything-he-needs-to-know-abou,17990/
Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About Muslims
August 30, 2010 | ISSUE 46•35
Gentries made a conscious decision to stop learning anything new about the Muslim faith on May 22, 2005.
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SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.
Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.
"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"
"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."
"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.
When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."
Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.
"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."
"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."
Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.
"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."
Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
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Let's kill all the Muslims. We are a white Christian nation.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2010 - 04:06pm PT
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Yeah, well Fatty...
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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It is appalling to me that the Neo-Con Tea Baggers on this site speak with a deluded sense of authority about Muslims. They want to paint all Muslims and all Arabs with the indiscriminate brush stroke of racism. They want to claim the moral high ground for white America. They attempt to say that those dirty "Others" are brutal and intolerant yet we are righteous and above reproach. They want to say that America has moved beyond such brutality but the "Others" are still in the dark ages. They know what they are told but not the truth. They are woefully ignorant of American history and oblivious to world history. They want to thump their Bible's and condone burning Qur'ans. They point to suicide bombings and beheadings, while ignoring carpet bombing and lynchings.
There is little difference between Al Quieda and the Klan.
The irony is that while Europe languished in the ignorance of the Dark Ages the Arab world had one of the most extensive education systems in any civilization every. Scholars from everywhere came to study in Arab universities and libraries. Had it not been for the Arabs saving human records and translating the seminal works into Greek they wouldn't have their Bibles to thump in self righteous ignorance.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) - A Christian minister said Tuesday that he will go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Quran this weekend to protest the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks despite a warning from the top U.S. general in Afghanistan that doing so would endanger American troops.
Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center said he understands Gen. David Petraeus' concerns, but plans to go forward with the burning this Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the attacks.
Petraeus warned Tuesday in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan - and around the world - to inflame public opinion and incite violence."
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Another "American" doing what he can to emperil US troops fighting for his freedom.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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also telling how people gripe and complain that "silence: from muslims wrt muslim extremists amounts to tacit approval, and yet when this koran burner makes noise, why don't all the good christians shout him down?
so burning the US flag should be a crime, but burning a koran, not so much?
(and what if there were a muslim imam publicly burning bibles? oh wait, that would require people to put the shoe on the other foot, never mind...)
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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dirtbag,
Why did President Obama's own commission warn him about the hatred in Saudi textbooks used around the world??
The evil one
For the same reason he was warned about the hatred in the (un)Settlement movement.
In regard to Ken M's and Weschrist's posts Where are all the good Christian, patriotic Americans speaking out loudly to condemn this burning? Or can LEB and the like only complain about a supposed non reaction from the Muslim world condemning 911. I hate hypocracy.
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