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Patrick Sawyer

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Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 03:59pm PT

My fellow Californians

But you are from Tennessee, hah hah. I am a born Californian, I just live elsewhere.

Yeah, Pat Brown, old school politician, like Mayor Daly or LaGuardia. Tammany Hall and the like. Joe Kennedy comes to mind.

Jerry Brown, I like him and I loathe him. I think the LSD bullet trained on his brain. He is different, just think if he made POTUS. Yikes, what a wild ride.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 04:06pm PT

So Dingus and Edward, you really think that Trump's treasonous remarks were just playing to the base? Or, perhaps he really did feel slighted, considering his yuge ego, that the Dems did not fawn over his words. Look at his past history and how he feels butt hurt when people do not agree with him.

Do not kid me, he was not being facetious or a troll, he was playing to his audience because his pinky hurt. Jaysus, you both are smart, and you fell for it? That he was trolling? Head, toilet, coffee pot comes to mind.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 04:17pm PT

One thing I have learned over the past 18 or so months. Trump is an idiot, but he is not stupid. There is a conundrum there. Go figure.

But he is an A1 as#@&%e, no conundrum there. He is the worst president one could imagine, yet, his base loves him, so he must be doing something to appease them.

And economies, look at history. Unless there is a radical change in an economy, they are their own beasts. Trump is trading on Obama's policies.

Kids, I am a journalist with a track record, a writer, a zoologist (but nobody is hiring). I have been wrong about some things in life. But I am not wrong about Donald 'Trump.

History and time will bear me out. And I can live with that, but I fear for social justice, the environment, the social structure, for those who are not the 1%.

Time for bed and sweet dreams or nightmares.

divad

Trad climber

wmass

Feb 12, 2018 - 04:44pm PT

But given the amount of crap shovelled his way every day, it's par for the discourse.

The crap being shoveled is done by the White House staff who, like in the circus, have to pick up after the elephant.

thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Feb 12, 2018 - 04:47pm PT

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thebravecowboy

climber

The Good Places

Feb 12, 2018 - 05:05pm PT

my great-grandaddy, sheriff in deepest TX, slung the odd noose in his day, with, I suspect, more brown men swinging than white. Sessions is right, but he ain't right.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 05:27pm PT

Trump's treason comment was sarcasm. He was being flippant.

Was he?

Hah hah, yeah right, Edward, by your posts it is obvious you are Trump apologist. Okay, just spell it out better. That said, you seem one of the more saner Trumpites on this forum, and you also seem more open minded, but you still drink the Trump Kool-Aid, it seems.

Little I can do about that. Let us see what the Donald's legacy will be about in say, five years, ten years, 50 years.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 05:33pm PT

Trump would not know sarcasm, or indeed irony, if it hit him in that barn-sized arse of his. Trump only knows what appeases him, true or false, and Edward you are just one of many who what to appease him. Well, to each their own.

I am no prophet or oracle, but mark my words, Trump is bad news, and it is not fake. He is the screwing up, have you ever seen such as dysfunctional administration? Drain the swamp? Yeah, and I have the winning lottery numbers (now that I can get behind).

I am having fun, I should be in bed, but…

Today, I watched a BBC video of three Michigan women, Trump supporters, on why they like Trump. It was objective, and I watched as they said why they liked Trump. No rebuttal, no opposite views, just a look into some people's "minds" why they like Trump.

Some good points they made, but were they real points? Reality belies what they were saying, but … there was no rebuttal, so they probably felt smug and positive about Trump.

The ways matters are going, Trump is winning, not fairly but what is fair in love and war? He will see out his term and run for re-election, and perhaps win, because in the words of the Mighty Duck, Americans are stoooopid.

Sad, but the nation is stronger than the man. It will even out over the course of time.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 06:06pm PT

And for you so-called Christians out there. Having been raised in Catholic school, I have read the Old and New Testaments. The interpretation I can not attest to, but can only guess what was going though the mind of the chroniclers of the time.

Fire and brimstone, the Old Testament seems to be the bible of the right, the righteousness, the people who know. Strike down those who do not follow your path. Damnation.

Empathy and understanding seems to be the message in the New Testament, which is more or less drawn on Christ's teachings, so we are "told". Salvation as opposed to damnation.

And we see the righteousness of the pseudo-Christians on this forum.

As for me, I was an agnostic, then atheist, now agnostic, now… I do not give a sh#t if there is a God or not, I care about my fellow humans and nature, God has nothing to do with it. A god who allows children to suffer, who puts a twit in the White House, who allows pestilence and disease. An ever-knowing god, to some it may be Donald Trump.

To me it is a load of crap. If I die on a mountain, it is not god's doing, it is nature's way.

So go ahead and support Trump and his ilk. It makes a small difference in the outcome, yet his policies will affect many people, that is knot a small difference. Contradictory? Isn't life?

EdwardT

Trad climber

Retired

Feb 12, 2018 - 06:07pm PT

Doood!!!

Take a couple of xanax. Maybe a few stiff drinks, as well. If you're still worked up, I hear ambien works well.

Trump's treason comment is a big old Nothingburger.

Seriously, it not a big deal.

I don't like Trump. Hope he's a one term pres. But one thing that sets us apart is I don't obsess over every petty thing he does. It's pointless.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 06:13pm PT

Edward, I am just pontificating and having fun, so go take your own Xanax. I will not be losing any sleep over the Donald tonight or even you. But it is interesting that you want to dismiss what I have to say with the need to take Xanax.

I am listening to some good jazz as I write this, so what ever is getting your sphincter in a knot, cool down, and Trump was not spoofing, look at his history, he was not trolling, he seems to feel that if you do not worship him, you are a traitor. Look at his past Edward and then seriously tell me that he was joking.

You do not fool me Edward. And I really do not care, I am having fun jousting with gobshites.

EDIT

Trump is a showman, he plays to the audience, he is stupid but not so. However, do not underestimate him.

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 06:16pm PT

"Go take a Xanax".

Is that the best you can do?

EDIT

Locker, LOL, you hit the nail on the head.

EdwardT

Trad climber

Retired

Feb 12, 2018 - 06:20pm PT

Patrick - you claim indifference, but then you post these tediously long, blathering narcissisms.

Hmm

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 06:34pm PT

Heck, Xanax or Ambien, on my budget I am lucky to afford one bottle of wine a week, usually a Chilean or cheap Australian red. This week I bought a Californian cab, Dark Horse, reduced half off. Not bad.

But Winemaker and others, my late brother Mac was recognized as one of the best in the world, by peer recognition. Robert Parker (god himself, so he thinks) always rated Mac's wines in the high 90s, he was one of best in the world, by peer recognition. His Cab 1985 Groth, 10/10, America's First Perfect. UC Davis, ENSAM Montpelier, and a winemaker since 1966.

But I digress, so two glasses of wine tonight makes some think I need Xanax. I await that dickhead from Apple Valley to post some stupid photoshopped meme about me. I am having fun after a hard week.

I love this forum.

EDIT
After working in Chateau Montaud, I went to work in Hugel et Fils, Riquewhir. The late Johnny (Jean) Hugel, one of France's great modern winemakers, his advice: "Patrick, a wine is in (the nose) he pointed, in the taste, and what you like. And what you like is the most important."

Russ Walling

Social climber

from Poofters Froth, Wyoming

Feb 12, 2018 - 06:40pm PT

^^^^^^

"and as quickly as the second bottle... the third vessel of my demise had met it's match, and it too was drained..."

Patrick Sawyer

climber

Originally California, now Ireland

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 12, 2018 - 06:44pm PT

Love it Russ, touché.

EDIT

And it is 3am, way past my bedtime, but I got a lot accomplished yesterday, for myself, for Wexford County Council, and for my very limited (hah hah) Supertopo contribution.

"It is only a paper moon, sailing over a cardboard sea… It's a Barnum and Bailey world, just as phony as it can be…" (Harburg/Rose/Arlen)

zBrown

Ice climber

Feb 12, 2018 - 06:50pm PT

1261 posts in and around tRump and only roughly 20,000 on what is Mind?

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 12, 2018 - 07:33pm PT

Paddy, was in Riquewihr last year - one of my favorite places. Those dry rieselings are to
die for, eh? A pity they’re almost impossible to find here.

Did ya go to the Albert Schweitzer Museum in Kaysersberg? La Femme’s dad knew him.