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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 09:03pm PT
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Port,
The article is mostly about monoliths on the planet Mars. Buzz is specifically talking about a monolith on the Mars moon, Phobos.
I'm not sure how you can claim his words are taken out of context. He clearly says there is a monolith on the moon of Mars - Phobos. Pretty clear and straight forward. No misunderstanding necessary.
Yes. Buzz hit someone who claims we didn't go to the Moon. Buzz has a temper. He warned him though. We went to the Moon many times. I suppose he tires of those who say we haven't, and to be the second who did indeed walk on the Moon. Must be frustrating to be sure. But the LRO is helping the case for sure with the new images released.
Here are some great links:
Astronauts say there are UFOs (actually many NASA astronauts have experiences and have said so, including the first Man on the Moon, Neil Armstrong) . . . The Larry King videos from July 2008 are excellent. I like Bill Nye the Science Guy, always have. But Bill is clearly playing the government, Disney owned shill on this one. Com'on Bill, pull your head out. Good stuff.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&NR=1
Edgar Mitchell UFO Disclosure, CNN 24th July 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y0sJkdl0FI&feature=related
EDGAR MITCHELL INTERVIEW : UFO EXIST,ALIEN EXIST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8XaHw-RO0c&feature=related
Aliens exist says Buzz Aldrin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpfvhdmhQy4&NR=1
Buzz Aldrin Reveals Existence of Monolith on Mars Moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fdarkmission%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded
Larry King CNN - 18th july 2008 - UFO downs usa defenses pt 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J98OBPT_o30&feature=related
Larry King CNN - 18th july - UFO downs usa defenses pt 2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk6_6KPbEPI&NR=1
Larry King CNN - 18th july - UFO downs usa defenses pt 3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4macIn45s&NR=1
Larry King CNN - 18th july - UFO downs usa defenses pt 4/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB0TQO9mtzc&NR=1
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Thanks Klimmer, I watched all of them and you're right about Buzz Aldrin. I didnt expect someone who disavows conspiracy theories to be so sold on UFOs.
I still dont believe though and heres why. Everything you posted were stories and anecdotes, not evidence. The human condition is extremely susceptable to being tricked, even in large groups. The mind will jump to conclusions which are not supported outside of personal experince.
Secondly I dont bleive because of the massive size of the unviverse. If Aliens have been here, that means that they have achieved the ability to travel at light speed, right? So why would such an advanced life form have any interest in coming to Earth? I think it is arogant to think that human affairs are so important that they warrent a visit. The reality is that we are so insignificant that are minds are not able to fully understand our lack of position in the universe. Why do you think they would bother coming here?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 11:02pm PT
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Well, I've talked about this all before.
I don't think they are Extra-terrestrials, I think they are Intra-terrestrials.
Here I go setting myself up for ridicule. But the truth is refreshing.
The angels were created before man, perhaps billions of years before man. Lucifer was a favorite angel of God until something went horribly wrong. There also was a time in man's history were the Sons of God (Angels, fallen angels) saw the Daughters of Man (beautiful women of Earth) and mated with them and took as many of them as wives as they chose. Read the book of Genesis. Their off-spring were Nephalim. Part Angel and part man. But they got the worst of both. Nephalim were powerful, very intelligent, and very evil. Many believe and the good book suggests they had the ability of inter-solar travel and had the technology to do so. They had the intelligence of Angels, but the form of man.
Yes, I know. Now I'm not just talking about UFOs, but Dark Angels, and Nephalim also. What a complete whack job right? Why is there so much UFO phenomenon associated with the occult? Read the book, Dark Mission: the secret history of NASA. Why are the Nazis (who were very much into the occult) and those into the Occult, the Magicians, and the Masons so involved in NASA, and why are they at the forefront of all the cover-up?
Google UFOs and Christianity. Many good sources out there that get into it really deep and explain it and lead you through a Bible study on the subject. I think the UFO phenomenon is an end times game by the prince of darkness himself - Lucifer. That also is why many secret governments (perpetual secret governments that are within governments) that have made pacts with them, have literally made a pact with the devil, and certainly don't want this to be known. Perhaps that is the real reason why they completely denie and pretend to ignore the phenomenon. To admit there are UFOs and ETs, they would have to run the risk of everyone knowing they knew all along, they have made secret pact agreements with them, have received new technologies, and for those really savvy realizing that they have made a pact with the devil himself. I don't really think they want that known. In fact, I'm very sure they don't want that known.
As the good book says, . . .
Eph.6:12
"[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 11:33pm PT
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Yep, spacetravel is inspirational no doubt. Like you I watched the Apollo 11 lunar landing and walk on B&W tv.
My first name is Glenn, named after . . .
You got it, John Glenn.
I was born in the year he orbited around the Earth in the Mercury project Friendship 7. The Atlas rockets were made right here in San Diego. Gotta watch the movie "The Right Stuff." They did a water-skiing gig here in Mission Bay after seeing a tour of the rockets made at General Dynamics.
My mother, rest her soul, had very high hopes for me. She wanted me to reach for the stars. She was really excited about the space program. Years later, I told her, don't worry mom, at least I'm still a space-cadet. lol.
I'm not a NASA astronaut, but I love science. I climb and adventure, and I have held pieces of the Moon, Mars, and Asteroid 4 Vesta. I really enjoy meteoritics and Earth Science.
The space program gives us dreams for sure.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2009 - 12:12am PT
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Jim,
We are talking meteorites. Moon, Mars, and Asteroid 4 Vesta meteorites.
It was like holding a piece of very mafic Tholeiitic Basalt. Think very dense, very black oceanic, mid ocean ridge like basalt (MORB) found here on Earth. More FeO though than Earth Tholeiite basalt for sure. Pieces cut and polished have many glimmering shiny grains of FeO, and magnetite. I've never seen that in Earth Basalt. Never. Pretty cool.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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On February 20th 1962 I had major surgery at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto. My mother was very annoyed that the doctors and nurses in the OR insisted on having a transistor radio, and listening. She thought it might distract them.
I guess we all touch moon, Mars and asteroid dust every day - but it's not discrete, like holding a rock.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"Secondly I dont bleive because of the massive size of the unviverse. If Aliens have been here, that means that they have achieved the ability to travel at light speed, right? So why would such an advanced life form have any interest in coming to Earth? I think it is arogant to think that human affairs are so important that they warrent a visit. The reality is that we are so insignificant that are minds are not able to fully understand our lack of position in the universe. Why do you think they would bother coming here? "
If Aliens were able to travel at near light speed, perhaps they don't exist in quite the same dimension we do. The difference between aliens and angels might be mostly branding. Perhaps they don't want to see so many sentient beings go down in flames due to their own folly so they keep an eye on us. Who knows, maybe they know better than we do how and why we are here and have some role to play?
Could we be some cosmic experiment gone wrong? Did the Highest God even get us into this mess?
After all, the animals in the zoo, given some more brains, might wonder who created their predicament and environment. Say we started to create some new animals with DNA technology, ones far smarter than monkeys? Would they start to wonder who created them and would they suspect the difference between being created and "DNA enhanced"
Peace
Karl
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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"If Aliens were able to travel at near light speed, perhaps they don't exist in quite the same dimension we do. The difference between aliens and angels might be mostly branding. Perhaps they don't want to see so many sentient beings go down in flames due to their own folly so they keep an eye on us. Who knows, maybe they know better than we do how and why we are here and have some role to play?"
If this were the case then where were these "angels," or what ever we want to call them, when fat man and little boy were dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki when so many beings were killed? Or how about during the Holocaust when millions were executed? They seem pretty inconsistant with their interventions no?
You maybe right, I cant say your're not but I think the scariest thing to humans is that no one and nothing is looking out for us in this universe. And for some reason this is really hard to swallow.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Klimmer - they must have visited here too!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2009 - 12:49am PT
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You have to admit that even a very rectalinear talus boulder that ends up standing straight up against all odds concidering the physics of center of mass is very, very odd. Even doing so mechanically is difficult to do at times. Yes it is probably just a boulder. But it is weird none the less.
There are features on Mars created just as on Earth, by erosion, deposition, lithification, and then erosion again to form mesas, buttes, and pillars.
Here is a very interesting related story that I have forgotten about but checking out "The Pretenders" website since they are coming in concert, they have this posted on their site. The story of Gary McKinnon is an incredibly interesting story:
http://www.thepretenders.com/
"Chrissie Hynde, Pink Floyd's David Gilmour and Sir Bob Geldof have joined forces to record Graham Nash's 'Chicago' to highlight the predicament of alleged computer hacker Gary McKinnon, who is under threat of extradition to the US.
In 2002, Gary apparently got into US military computers to search for the existence of UFOs and was subsequently charged by US authorities, who wish to extradite him for trial there.
Under the UK / US Extradition Treaty the US does not have to provide any proof -- something that doesn't apply to US citizens. Therefore, regardless of the possible crime, Gary has been cited as an example of a counter-terrorism law being used against someone who isn't a terrorist. In addition, Gary has been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (a form of Autism) by eminent psychologist Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, who has said that Gary poses 'no harm to society', and there are strong fears that Gary's fragile personality would not survive US incarceration.
The single is a plea to US President Barack Obama to review Gary's case, and features lyrics rewritten by Gary's mother, Janis Sharp, to reflect Gary's circumstance. It is available as a download with an optional payment from the Free Gary McKinnon website (http://www.freegarymckinnon.co.uk);.
Gary's legal team have now spent seven years fighting extradition, and the latest legal position is that, although two Judicial Reviews have just been announced as not supporting Gary, the team have 28 days to apply for a further appeal. An appeal would probably be heard in September, after which, if necessary, the legal team would take the fight."
What they fail to mention is what Gary found in the Pentagon computer systems and he has gone into much detail in interviews. Our secret US government is so peeved with Gary because he bumped into images of UFOs taken from NASA missions and more importantly he bumped into the list of the THE US SECRET (Off-World) ASTRONAUT CORP and their names.
http://vimeo.com/5858684
I will try to find the link to Gary's interview where he goes into detail on what he found . . .
Edit:
Here are the interviews with Gary McKinnon
http://www.projectcamelot.net/gary_mckinnon.html
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2009 - 10:20pm PT
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Here is a great series of videos from this summer's big UFO meeting, some great talks and presentations. There are just too many really well known educated people, government insiders, scientists who are disclosing for it not to be true. As Steven Greer has said, disclosure has already happened. There are some great discussions and presentations here. Enjoy. Have your eyes opened. Let the sunlight in.
(My take is yes, man has a very long (billions of years) pre-adamic history, and that has to do with the Angels, Lucifer and his fall, dragging many Angels with him, and now here to fool mankind into believing the last big lie. ETs are not extra-terrestrial but intra-terrestrial. Yes, they have been all over the Solar System and there are ruins on the Moon and Mars from and of their presence. And unfortunately, they are dialed into and one with the NWO. The link between UFOs and the occult is well known.)
The Barcelona Exopolitics Summit
23-26 July 2009
http://www.projectcamelot.net/barcelona_23-26_July_2009.html
Bob Dean's presentation, European Exopolitics Summit, Barcelona, 25 July 2009 -- Wow!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ngvIP0Za9M
Henry Deacon
http://www.projectcamelot.net/livermore_physicist_3.html#Mars
Who is Henry Deacon?
http://www.projectcamelot.net/livermore_physicist.html
Dr. Steven Greer (the Disclosure Project) presents "The Promise of New Energy" at the Exopolitics Summit 2009 -- really good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEyV_-NGyk
Dr. Steven Greer's interview with Project Camelot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg
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