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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Mr Powers writes:
"If your "ready" for somthing that means your preparing for something your scared of."
You sure about that?
I keep the toilet paper right next to the toilet so it's ready when I need it, even though absolutely nothing in the bathroom scares me.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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LOL!!
Ryan at Nomads and I got that alot, hes one of my best friends, everyone at cross roads would call me ryan and him steven!
I also worked at nomads so maybe you saw me in both places?
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"I keep the toilet paper right next to the toilet so it's ready when I need it, even though absolutely nothing in the bathroom scares me."
Are you sure about that? LOL!!!
Do you keep two rolls there, maybe because your scared one might run out? Or do you live dangerously?
Preparing for the expected is convenience, preparing for the "what if's" is fear. And there is nothing wrong with fear! Just embrace it and act rational about it. You can use fear as an engine to get sh#t done, or you can let it be the brakes that slow you down and eventually stop you.
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apogee
climber
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S. Powers- glad to hear you generally agree that guns in NP are generally a bad idea. With the reasonable exception of Denali NP, the risk of animal attack is so remote that the benefits (and inherent risks of having guns present) that it makes little sense for them to be present.
For the most part, my fears in NP's have little to do with animals and are a lot more related to my own sometimes sketchy activities in the Parks (or those of other humans). That said, I just don't believe carrying a gun is going to mitigate those fears and risks (even the human risks).
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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^agreed
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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I also worked at nomads so maybe you saw me in both places?
Probably, we were the gezers with the hot little rope gun there every Saturday first thing.
Only place I've ever packed, (rarely) has been NF and the only reason the preponderance of two legged predatory types
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"Probably, we were the gezers with the hot little rope gun there every Saturday first thing."
I remember you guys! I think we had the long discussion on the fine points of belaying/rappeling on a belay loop?
Didnt you talk a bad fall out by steve canyon? Your name is on the tip of my tounge, cant remember though.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Only fall in that era in Steve's Canyon wasn't a bad one, just amusing.
Princess ropegun's BF fell off Super Roof and the rope got stuck in the crack. He was dangling like a pinata so she proceeded to find a stick to torment him with while we rigged a way to get the rope unstuck.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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I have to wonder if most people who choose to carry in Denali are any safer for it, but at least there, there is a concievable, argument for it.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I can't even be bothered to read all this tripe, and my name is in the thread title.
Sheesh.
And I think that Roehl must rhyme with "troll".
I've never carried in a NP because I was fearful of critters.
Its the two legged snakes that worry me, and not without reason. Did you read my short but true story?
No shots fired. No weapon brandished. Everybody learned a lesson.
Could have been much worse if I wasn't prepared.
It always amazes me how many experts exist on subjects of which they have no idea in such a poorly educated society.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jaybro, I would say it depends on the circumstance, most animal attacks are caused by the animal being startled, In Denali the land is mostly tundra and you can see for long off distances, the chances of startling an animal are almost non-existent. Its the wooded and forested areas in Alaska where this would mostly be a danger.
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Damn Rokjox you are pretty serious about this topic...I thought you were headed outside to enjoy the day?
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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No way! Just too many scaaaaary animals out there!
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Circumstances are, indeed, everything, more or less. But, if you can see the threat a ways off, is armament that essential? I'm sure there are times it would be...
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"It makes no sense in this world to allow wolves a completely free run of the world again. People, wildlife, domestic herds, and domestic pets WILL pay again, and the horror to the people and their families are what you are going to have to justify in the name of...
What?"
Chill bro, im as big of a tree hugger as the next guy, but if we start having "Dawn of the dead" style wolf attacks, im all for thinning out the herds. I see an intrinsic value in all things wild, but one wolf is definatly not worth the life of a human. Its impossible for us all to agree on this subject because there are facts and ideas from people on both sides of the fence that we vehenomatley disagree with and/or refuse to hear. we can yell until we are blue in the face or try and learn from each other and try and come to an agreement that everyone is content with, or at least live with. Experiencing wolves in the wild is an amazing thing that you cant put a price on, destruction of ranchers livestock is unacceptable. Destruction is for the most part unacceptable in any arena, we need to learn to placy nice and share with our neighbors or go home.
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apogee
climber
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After giving a bit more thought to this scintillating topic, I am reserving the right to change my mind about the need to carry a gun in the NP, in the event that this apparent 'midnight regulation' of the Bush administration actually sticks after 1/20/09, thus resulting in an alarming increase of rokjox-like types traipsing around the backcountry packing god-knows-what in their gore-tex. Or maybe I'll just stay home instead.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"Circumstances are, indeed, everything, more or less. But, if you can see the threat a ways off, is armament that essential? I'm sure there are times it would be..."
It would be possible to come btween a mother and her cub(s) and that would not be a fun situation. The area I live in is a temperate rainforest, chances of bad things happening are alot worse because of the thick undergrowth. Hunderds of people hike in all sorts of places with wild man eating beasts lurking around each corner and never bring a rifle and are just fine. Then there are people who have had their tent pounced on by Bears and if it wernt for the rifle they would have surely been mauled or bear food. Its all personal choice.
There is a scary animal in the world, far more scary than any bear or wolf, Its a person who carries a gun and has no idea how to use it, or when to use it. When i first moved up here i had this crazy roommate that carried around a loaded .44 magnum everywhere she went, she had never fired the thing, never cleaned it, but carried it nonetheless. When i questioned her about it she said it was mainly for bears, when i asked how she expected to get it out of her backpack intime to use it on a bear all she did was stare at me blankly and say, "I never thought about that" when i asked if she even knew where to shoot said bear she again replied , "I never thought about that"...This lady carried this thing into bars, schools EVERYWHERE!!!!
Another thing that i am really scared of regarding this whole guns in NP's is alcahol. Rangers are 50% more likely to be assaluted than any other federal law enforcement officer. There are a couple of reasons, but the main one is that everyone that comes to NP's for the most part are on vacation, and when people are on vacation they tend to drink copious amnounts of alcahol. It is my fear that we are going to see an increase in brandishing of firearms and possiblly shootings due to the fact that normally a ranger would be called,but cowboys being cowboys will want to pull out their penis extension and take matters into there own hands. In a crowded campground, this is a tragedy waiting to happen. I dont care about the responsible CCW holders (i would never know they even had their guns if they were responsible), im worried about the ones that are not responsible. National Parks,campgrounds in particular, cause many uniqe confrontations and interactions that dont take place in ordinary life, and sadly i dont think they were thought through before these new laws were passed.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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You've got to be kidding! You're just about as likely to run into a psycho killer in the back country of yosemite as you are a wolf. I'm certain you're much more likely to be abducted by aliens (the interplanetary kind) and maybe your firepower could stop them, though without a knowledge of their anatomy a clean kill would be difficult. Guns are useless BS in the back country or anywhere else in a NP. If LEOs want to carry them fine, and if there's a reciprocating arrangement between districts fine but the fewer guns around the safer we all are.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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^agreed
Im talking about alaska, guns have no place in YOSE
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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'There is a scary animal in the world, far more scary than any bear or wolf, Its a person who carries a gun and has no idea how to use it,"
-Yup!
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