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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Uh,.. Miss Standing With A Bleeding Heart,
they were trying to steal the means of his livelihood, the way he put food in his mouth (and his daughter and his wife, before she left and took the dog, which would have been a lot more help, but I don't want to turn this into a C&W song).
As for manure, believe me if it was deadly you and I would be long gone (but I've worked in a stable).
And running a little rough on the way to the pokey?
Well here's a taste of the real world Miss Coddler; they later claimed that their engine died and were just looking for tools, but previously at gunpoint my friend got the whole story about the iodine (they had a confederate at the feed store) without any prompting.
Where it not for the contraband and stolen goods in the junker they would have skated entirely.
No wonder criminals do so well in California.
They have such an understanding and sympathetic victim base.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
a spaceship built for two
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so you're promoting vigilante justice, too?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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They weren't exactly strung up.
They got a little bruised and dirty and learned who not to mess with.
Obviously you don't know the difference between vigilanteism and street justice.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
a spaceship built for two
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"The foundation of the American legal system rests on the RULE OF LAW, a concept embodied in the notion that the United States is a nation of laws and not of men. Under the rule of law, laws are thought to exist independent of, and separate from, human will. Even when the human element factors into legal decision making, the decision maker is expected to be constrained by the law in making his or her decision. In other words, police officers, judges, and juries should act according to the law and not according to their personal preferences or private agendas.
http://law.jrank.org/pages/11129/Vigilantism.html
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Doug Buchanan
Trad climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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My friend Standing "Strong".....
"...should act according to the (written words of) law..."
"Should" defines that which is not.
Upon stating to Superior Court Judge Robert Hackett (Yakima Washington) the principles of prevailing law that counsel would respectfully express in a court of law, to the jury (freedom of speech), that defended the citizen against the government, Hackett stated on court record...
"And this court, Mr. Buchanan, will cut you off at the ankles, literally, if you even breath a word of those principles."
You ceased being under the rule of written law in the US when lawyers were appointed to court judge jobs. Fools remain fooled. You are under the rule of petty personalities with the power of government jobs, who command unquestioning police who will carry out unlawful orders as fast is did Hitler's Gestapo thugs, for the same reason.
The unabashed threat of torture, and now increasingly verified torture as the US government standard for rule in the US, leaves no valid argument against the citizen administration of justice.
Get an AK 47 or better, because you may belatedly recognize such wisdom, as did the Warsaw ghetto residents and countless others who were told by their governments that the rule of (the government's) law would protect them.
Do not start the climb of life revealed by history, without sufficient protection, or do not complain when gravity reminds you how far you climbed above your last pro, much to the amusement of the observers.
DougBuchanan.com
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
a spaceship built for two
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yea, a person is weak if they don't own an ak 47.
uh... you guys just keep digging yourselves in deeper.
T*R.com
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
a spaceship built for two
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i love harriet tubman and her musket.
jesus voted for her. so do i.
T*R.com
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
a spaceship built for two
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annie oakley kicked ass, too. she had it rough. jesus totally voted for her, too.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jeeze Pagan. Too bad you got hosed on the rifle. for a brand new piece that is totally unnaceptable unless its a cheap chinese piece of junk in which case you get what you pay for. I can't tell from the photo what it is though. AKs are stamped sheet metal and have a really rough finish so you would expect it to look like sh#t. If its a Mini14 it should be darn close to perfect....
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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"if you even breath a word of those principles"
Wow! Doug,
without knowing what the case was, still, wow!
Sounds like the court record might be grounds for appeal, but it is probably "why bother" territory.
Too bad there are so many sheeple who expect Big Brother to coddle them cradle to grave.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2008 - 10:13am PT
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so ruger told me i can fed ex them the gun with an explanation and they will refund my shipping, as well as expedite the turnaround (hopefully...) and while i'm inclined to give dougs the benefit of the doubt, it does sort of sour things...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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So it is a Ruger, Yea they are a good company and rightly stand behind their product. whomever your dealer is the guy is a slacker. like I said earlier if you had bought a cheap AK from the guy a cosmetic defect would be expected. The Ruger should look and function perfectly. No break in period. For him to give you the run arround on a high end gun is just totally lame INMOP
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Good for Ruger!
And good for you Tom for getting right on it.
I'm thinking more and more that Doug's falls in the same category as Van Wagonen's in Orem. A good friend of mine went to HS with Norm and gave me the skinny on him.
He prices competitively, but will shtup you on any trade, and forget about any kind of customer support or service.
He only sees $$$$$$$ , but short term.
Dick might not make much on some of our deals, but he knows I'll keep coming back and make it up over the long term. He has the wisdom to value customer loyalty.
Then there's Gallenson's. Fairly large inventory, but poorly stocked in magazines and some combat accessories (good on sporting arms). Sometimes you can find a real gem there though (like my NIB 870 Marine Magnum for $269, likely a pricing error but they've made it back and them some.
My last trip there for just ammo REALLY put a dent,..)
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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so dougbuchanan.com do you have a more credible source for that quote? somehow i think that if i tried to quote some random alaskan gun nut's webpage in a paper it might not really fly.
btw i never said i was against people's right to arm themselves. i would even have gone to the blastfest if i could have. just that i hate to see such poor arguments. it's really nothing personal.
it's kind of like when anti abortion folks babble about how dangerous abortions are. it's not like pregnancy is any safer, people still die in childbirth, in this country. if i was going to argue that abortion should be totally outlawed, i'd try to sway people emotionally by calling it murder or something.
thanks,
T*R.com
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Whatever.. we are trying to talk guns here. Go whine in the gun control thread....
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Tom,
I just talked to my partner about your Mini.
Unfortunately, he has seen quite a few Mini's with that same defect.
It is apparently a metal shaving from when they crowned the barrel,
and the idiots didn't remove a bit of the metal shavings, before pressing on the front sight.
How much did you pay for that Mini-14 Tom?
Was it $700 or more?
I could have gotten you an AR for that price.
I think the dealer talked you into a Mini instead of cutting you a deal on an AR? Am I close?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Don't make him feel any worse Shack. Things are going up. $659 is fair dinkum for the newer series stainless (OK I would have bought used and tried it out first), but only the low end AR compete with that.
And though I recognize enough of their assets to own the three pictured earlier, they don't really jazz me much more than the Mini, although in the case of the Ruger familiarity breeds the opposite of contempt.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2008 - 01:51pm PT
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ya know shack - I didn't even ask about an AR 15 since I just wanted a nice less than 1k gun...didn't really look at them...
so that's a common one, eh ? I just shipped her back UPS overnight to the factory...we'll see how they handle it...
669 ron, and i'll get to that pic, just slammed over here with work since i was off yesterday...
i will say this - once she warmed up and was cycling clean, she was a *very* nice shoot - goooood feel to that gun...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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The guy at one of our local gun shops tells me that you can get an AR with a 7.62x39 upper and use the same frame for 5.56. Any of you guys tried this setup?
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