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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:18pm PT
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TIG,
Sorry, but many images and video show the beams not only being projected horizontally and below the horizon, but many are also being projected ABOVE the horizon. Up and out. Sorry, collapsing buildings don't cause steel beams that weigh tonnes to hurl through the air in perfect projectile motion arcs with many launched at an upward angle above the horizon. And many of these massive beams landed 100s of meters away from the TWC towers. Falling buildings do this? No exploding buildings do this.
Doesn't happen with out an explosive force to cause it.
Think about it. Have you ever seen a projectile, such as a rocket, use a falling building as the triggering mechanism and force to shoot it up into the air? No they use a controlled explosive force from rocket engine to do that --- basically explosives.
Perhaps you can do a study showing how buildings FALLING DOWN, launch massive steel beams UP into perfect projectile motion arcs. Ideal conditions or Real World conditions makes no difference.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:21pm PT
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Monolith,
Many heard explosions. Many. We have visual record, auditory record, and many, many eye-witness records.
You are simply lying and/or uninformed.
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:26pm PT
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No one heard these massive succession of explosions that CT'ers claim brought the towers down.
They have faked them, like in the video you posted.
Now where are those videos showing that the debris was blasted upwards?
And while you are pondering that, please review this video that shows the moment of a tower collapse with the outer columns bowing inward, not exploding outward.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-5405555553528290546&autoplay=1
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Hootervillian
climber
the Hooterville World-Guardian
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Apr 30, 2007 - 12:46pm PT
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since it's a Question thread apparently without a question, i have a couple....
did they get those human remains cleaned up yet? or are they still just going to build over them?
yeah i know, what's another corpse in concrete over a real estate squabble, especially in manhattan.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:24pm PT
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Good posts Klimmer & Crowley
Monolith is that all you got????? You ain't sh'it!
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:31pm PT
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Please show us something Werner, besides backslapping.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:38pm PT
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I'm giving my appreciation to Klimmer & Crowley for their informative posts, plus Bachar for his funny picture up thread.
Monolith, it's none of your business you sour puss.
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:42pm PT
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And why don't you critique your friends who have also made debunking posts in this thread?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:45pm PT
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If I told you the building in the following picture had been hit by
a Boeing 757 flying full speed, would you believe me?
(Source: http://www.tfeagle.army.mil/tfetalon/PhotoGallery/
15TalonPhotos/Nov12/Images/Pic18-Pentagon-9-11.gif)
There are still many unanswered questions surrounding the events of 9/11.
For example, in the above picture, can you point out the damage caused
by the left wing and engine of the 757?
If you think the questions have all been answered, then you surely
don't question much.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:49pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:50pm PT
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"I ask again...
Think of the dozens, if not hundreds of people that would have been needed to install the explosives. Where did they hide the detonation cables? They would have had to weaken structural columns using cutting torches, saws, etc. How in the world did they hide this from the thousands of people who worked at the WTC? For you conspirators, how did they pull all of these preparations off without raising suspicions?"
Yes, and somehow, all of these people would've had to keep their traps SHUT afterwards. Funny how we never hear so-called conspirators leak anything to the press. They must be the world's greatest secret-keepers!
It's also funny how an adminstration as grossly incompetent as this one could pull off something like this without being caught. Even a highly competent administration (is there such a thing in government?) couldn't pull this off.
But, believe what you want!
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:53pm PT
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Did you think that plane that hundreds of witnesses saw just flew over the pentagon?
Then the light poles on the overpass were taken down by ninjas?
All while hundreds of cars passed on the freeway?
Yeah I'd say that recently reinforced building could have been hit by a plane, K-man.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:55pm PT
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dirtbag, that you think the administration is too incompetent to
pull off anything is about the only valid argument I've ever heard
on the 9/11 lies.
Got anything better than that? How about taking a stab at my single
question on the above Pentagon photo. Should be easy, answering one
question.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:57pm PT
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k-man, I'm no structural or aeornautical engineer. Hell if I know what a 757 crash is supposed to look like.
But why don't you ask all the people who actually saw a plane hit the Pentagon?
Or are they "in on it" too?
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 01:59pm PT
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Pretty simple K-man. The hole was 90 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. Why do you think the tips of the wings were required to destroy those concrete reinforced columns?
Your own picture shows wide extensive damage.
You can see the section of the building that collapsed into the hole.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 30, 2007 - 02:02pm PT
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monolith, answer the question. Where is the damage? Can you point
to it, because I don't see it in the photo, yet I do see a
wall where the engine would have hit.
There are plenty of eye witnesses. Many offer differing accounts
from the official line. What I'd like to see is some answers to
some of the hard questions. Not just "somebody saw that," or "it
would take too many people to do that."
I agree, it would take too many people to pull something like 9/11
off successfully. But show me something that points to a better
explanation.
For example, how come there is no damage from the left engine of
the 575? Simple question.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 30, 2007 - 02:04pm PT
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The hole was 90 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet.
Wow, you've convinced me.
EDIT:
OK, I see, the engines could clear the hole. My bad...
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monolith
Trad climber
Albany,CA
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Apr 30, 2007 - 02:07pm PT
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Please K-man, show us the picture that demonstrates there was no damage by the left engine?
As I said before, the building collapsed into that section minutes after the impact. How you can say there was no damage by the left engine is baffling.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Apr 30, 2007 - 02:15pm PT
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dirtbag, I am no "expert" in any field ('cept wood floors, climbing and daddying), but I will try to answer one of the questions you posed. How did they wire the building for explosives? From the many video accounts, the WTC complex was shut down more than once in the preceding weeks so that new communication/security cables could be installed--total shutdown. The window to do the work is right there, with access to the interior open for "work". The time to string the explosives would be relatively quick, since the work did not have to be code or "clean" as most wiring is--and nobody would have suspected foul play because a reasonable explanation was given for the shut down.
What gets me is why they didn't allow security dogs into the building before 911 to do their normal patrols.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 30, 2007 - 02:29pm PT
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But why don't you ask all the people who actually saw a plane hit the Pentagon?
Let's also ask those that saw something other than a commercial
airliner hit the building.
But seriously, why ask witnesses when there are tapes of the
Pentagon being hit. Those would certainly clear up any doubts, if
only "they" would release them.
EDIT: mono, the Pentagon pic above does show intact building where
there should be damage from the plane wing and engine. Also, where
is that plane? Oh right, it pulverized. Isn't that what planes do
when they crash.
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