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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2018 - 04:45pm PT
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wilbeer, I'm unsure what you are saying? Of course my heart and prayers are with the policeman fighting for his life as well as any and all who have been touched by violence.
What I was trying to say....instead of taking on this Thread topic and creating good discourse many here are just repeating the same old political diatribes of the past 2 years. I don't know you either, but that doesn't mean we can't share ideas and respect each other.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 29, 2018 - 05:01pm PT
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I am just pointing out this is continuing,whilst this has become a platform.
A platform not deserving.
I would still like to know what you think would have happened,you know this crew better than me.
I really do not think it helps anything,really.
And I am all in on sharing good ideas. Peace,really
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 29, 2018 - 07:45pm PT
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The Third Reich used hateful speech as a stepping stone to hateful action that stunned the world with it's barbarity. Trump is following a similar path by arousing a small but dedicated group of followers, don't underestimate the possibilities.....history is full of instances where people did.
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 29, 2018 - 07:45pm PT
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A winner AND a perv?
Classic ST.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:04pm PT
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Lynne: I appreciate we are not on the same boat with our thoughts, but it is very tough for me to ignore how President Trump has driven hate to new higher levels in our beloved America.
Please vote against Trump & his candidates in the election, if you would enjoy lowering the smount of hate in our nation.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
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Fritz, we need to think out of the box. Forget the rhetoric. Everyone knows about voting. We are all adults and as individuals we can figure out what to do.
This thread is about the terrible results of hate, which is not linked to any one political party. It's about who we are as individuals and how we handle the differences in each other and our world.
And thanks for your post and everyone else's on this thread. If we communicate, even at skewed levels, at least we can connect and share ideas, keeping our minds open to other ideas and learn, even if we don't agree with each other all the time, we can learn and consider what we learn.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:16pm PT
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I’d like to say the United States was built on equality and respect for human dignity, but I think hatred and prejudice are American values too.
Hate has always been present but recently it’s been unleashed. Our president and other elected leaders have been playing with fire.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:24pm PT
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"A choice not an echo"
I think not, hating is stoked by agenda driven miscreants, and therefore more an echo than a choice.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:26pm PT
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Yes Lynne, what you say reminds me of Trump’s assertion after Charlottesville that both sides were to blame. The matter of degree is important, you can’t equate things without considering that. There is a political component here, brought to your doorstep by Trump...it can’t be ignored.
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Trump
climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:29pm PT
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https://www.livescience.com/56306-primates-including-humans-are-the-most-violent-animals.html
Primates, including humans, are the most violent animals. Human rates of conspecific violence are consistent with rates of conspecific violence in other primates.
That and mother’s milk, and our increasingly virulent tribally partisan politics to spice it up, prolly. This sh#t’s been around a lot longer than the US’s foundations in slavery, or Trump, has, but he’s definitely not helping, and we might be well served to take off our rose-colored glasses when looking in the mirror, if what we honestly do want is to understand.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2018 - 08:33pm PT
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Jim, together we are more than one man.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
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Don’t underestimate the power of a demagogue...history is littered with people who did. Hopefully, on 11/6 people who don’t hate will speak loud and clearly.
Lynne, what frightens me today about America is that 40 plus % of the people approve of a man who uses hate as his primary political tool. He is an abomination and yes, you are correct, it is not just about one man...it’s more about the people who buy his message of hate.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2018 - 09:00pm PT
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I'm re reading Michener's book about Poland. It gives me much pause to think. My fault may be that I think people can meet together and forge out their differences.
What I may have not considered is the strong desire/need for domination by some. It's tough, really tough living on this planet/imperfect world that it is.
My bottom line as you all know is .... my best friend, jesus. I know many are put off by this. But I live by his words as they are ones of hope and peace, not domination, terror and fear.
Night and pleasant dreams.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 09:23pm PT
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You people are such hypocrites.
You slaughter and create so much violence against other living entities in your mechanized slaughterhouses and then ...
preach your phony kindness .......
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2018 - 09:27pm PT
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You People....who would they be Werner?
x-con one cannot be tolerant without limit.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 09:53pm PT
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Get off of your smug, emotional asses and vote for candidates that are willing to change this obvious movement towards totalitarianism.
Jim, is this really what you meant to say? (Cuz if it is, then I agree.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 29, 2018 - 09:59pm PT
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It’s quite a stretch to assume that anybody chooses anything.
99.99% of people are just pinballs.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Oct 30, 2018 - 04:09am PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Only .01% are bumpers?
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