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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 27, 2018 - 12:46pm PT
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I am always stunned by violence so I don't know why today's hate crime in Pittsburgh has affected me so much.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 01:01pm PT
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Thanks, Tad, but my heart is seriously aching for this planet, and all the people in it that are affected by the hatred of others. I ask myself, "What can I do?" I try to live each "daily day" learning, caring and reaching out to the people whose paths I cross.
And the haters.....how consumed they must be with darkness. And I question again, "What can be done?"
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 27, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
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Not so much of a choice. It is learned. I hate the fact that I hate haters
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 01:13pm PT
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You know, Jon, I agree somewhat with you, but every person makes choices. I have 3 grand kids that live with me. I've watched them for 7 years. They are taught what is right but sometimes choose wrong. I've also seen kids taught by drug user parents that chose to not be like them.
Moose, I don't think it is an innate quality in us....good or evil and that's what we will be....that's to much like predestination.
No, people make choices what to believe, who to hang with, how to live life. And thinking of the apathy of bystanders in WWII watching what was done to the Jews, well sometimes no choice (to do something) is a choice.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 01:25pm PT
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Power Crux, don't understand.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Oct 27, 2018 - 01:26pm PT
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Fear.
Change.
Fear of change.
Some can't cope
and resort
to hate.
Internal or external.
Compassion is what
We need.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 27, 2018 - 02:01pm PT
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Americans have become entitled narcissistic brats. People think the world should accommodate their every whim. And when it doesn't, they pitch a fit. Even when everything is going their way, someone has it better... so they think it's okay to shame or demonize the more fortunate. Common courtesy is on the decline.
Past generations were much more focused on taking care of their own affairs and not obsessing about their neighbor or a political rally across the country. MYOB!
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Oct 27, 2018 - 02:13pm PT
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Lynne,
Anger versus hate: some say anger is an emotion, while hate is more about belief.
Emotions arise for all sorts of reasons, but they tend to be short-lived. Moods provide longer-term subjective backdrops. Some say different environments can be described with moods. For example, NYC has a different mood to it then SF or Chicago. Attitudes are in the mix somewhere, also.
Paul Ekman says anger arises when one loses a sense of control that he or she thought they had. (See his book: Emotions Revealled.)
I’d suggest that beliefs are at the bottom of all of these things. There appear to be no right or wrong beliefs when one gets to looking closely at any of them. In one form or another, they appear to be illusions.
That might include your own emotional reactions to the hate you see around you. You’re locked in a box.
Be well, really.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 02:23pm PT
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d-know, agree. But what if a person, woman or man, has been raised in a toxic atmosphere of hatred but their core speaks to them there is another way? What are the avenues they can pursue to bring change to their way of thinking, their life?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 27, 2018 - 02:32pm PT
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Ok,this has nothing to do with Kelly’s poor history education and everything to do with a vengeful attack on civilians.
100% Hate crime.
I am from Pittsburgh,a neighborhood real close to that synagogue.
This has been going on for years, it happened in my neighborhood in Henrietta as a kid. https://www.nytimes.com/1970/11/07/archives/8th-blast-in-rochester-area-damages-a-third-synagogue.html
Our house was pelted with boards,others had windows knocked out,Dan Mcdevitt’s brother had his eardrum ruptured.
The reason this happens is hate. Nothing else,not reading about rallies or anything else.
I suggest you delete this thread before the blame and the hate are directed at you.
Peace to you L.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Oct 27, 2018 - 02:35pm PT
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It hard to determine exactly what the term "hating" or "hater" (the new term) means anymore. It could've once meant a particularly strong dislike for something or someone. Today the term has been conscripted to mean anything from racism to anti-LGBT thinking -- in other words, a politically-charged epithet designed to smear people you disagree with, or perhaps even hate.
If we use the term "hater" in the most general sense of course, at the end of the day we can only be referring to ourselves--since a case can be made that we all hate, are mysteriously capable of hatred, and return to it not occasionally but frequently.
Hatred is something that must be confronted for what we know about it: hating has been around since we founded our species. Hatred is not abnormal nor is it what anyone might want to start a snowflake career upon.
It must be recognized for the thing that it is by wary, intelligent adults who must understand it being part of deep-seated psychoneurological functions that hundreds of thousands of years of probable self-domestication has not seen fit to eradicate.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180215110041.htm
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 02:36pm PT
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Robert L, I googled Demonic Male Hypothesis and learned a bit. After living a few years on this planet I realize men are some bit different than females so I can't put my brain inside a male. But I think that tho cultures change over the centuries, people can choose to do so also. We are not "predestined" to be a certain disposition. A person needs to develop an internal compass as they live and grow. The results of their actions will speak much to their mind and soul.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Oct 27, 2018 - 02:37pm PT
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Americans have become entitled narcissistic brats. People think the world should accommodate their every whim. And when it doesn't, they pitch a fit. Even when everything is going their way, someone has it better... so they think it's okay to shame or demonize the more fortunate. Common courtesy is on the decline.
I agree with you. Wait. . . . . We are talking about trump, aren't we?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 27, 2018 - 02:48pm PT
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A case can be made that we all hate
Not by those that detest it.
Normalization,unreal.
Rest In Peace to the victims of this tragedy.
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 27, 2018 - 03:29pm PT
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Hating is a hell of a lot easier than loving.
Loving takes work and is an active space.
Hate is easy and a reactive space.
Agree it is also a learned behavior.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 03:34pm PT
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Thanks, Aeriq. Real words, defendable.
Please everyone, don't make this thread about President Trump. By now everyone knows where people stand on politics.
This is about how and why people hate so much they can kill people in their own neighborhood, how they take out hatred on people .... children, women and men they may have never met and decide to end their lives.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Oct 27, 2018 - 04:09pm PT
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MisterE gets it.
Compassion takes
genuine courage,
Deep self examination, reflection.
Some do not like
what is seen.
Unconditional compassion
is even more difficult.
For myself I try a compassionate
approach to existence
in the hope that it
has a ripple effect.
Knowing that it
is not enough.
Try we must.
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johntp
Trad climber
Little Rock and Loving It
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Oct 27, 2018 - 04:42pm PT
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I ask myself, "What can I do?" I try to live each "daily day" learning, caring and reaching out to the people whose paths I cross.
And the haters.....how consumed they must be with darkness. And I question again, "What can be done?"
Nothing. People do what they do. Hate is from ignorance and feeling hopeless. Can't change that. The world isn't fair. Some get the short straw, others, like most on this forum have been graced. Not everyone sees life through rose colored glasses.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 27, 2018 - 04:51pm PT
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Power Crux, I...many of us....care about this whole world. I mentioned this in my second post on this thread.
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 27, 2018 - 05:15pm PT
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Thanks Lynn & d know - only adding that it seems loving is an elevated state of being that can create real, positive paradigm shifts and represents our higher state of awareness/consciousness: Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mother Teresa, and Gandhi come to mind.
Hate is a state of mind.
It is base and ravages the human spirit, but can also create paradigm shifts - as we are seeing again now in our culture.
Nothing redeeming in humanistic terms.
Great topic, Lynne! :)
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