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G_Gnome
Boulder climber
Sick Midget Land
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Nov 30, 2006 - 03:59pm PT
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If you were looking for a rifle to shoot targets with but also be able to shoot deer which would be the best choice, .243, .270 or 7mm-08? Any other caliber that would be better? I am kind of light so a gun with less kick doesn't move me around as much. Also I've been looking at Remington, Savage, Browning, CZ and Kimber, any others I should consider? Anything else I should consider before purchase? There are entirely too many factors for a noob to decide on.
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sketchyy
Trad climber
Vagrant
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Nov 30, 2006 - 04:04pm PT
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I love the CZ I just bought. You will be hard pressed to find a gun of that quality for less. Out of the cartridges you mentioned I would probaly get the .270, but they all work fine.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 30, 2006 - 04:13pm PT
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Recoil is not merely a function of the caliber.
Gun weight and action enter the equation.
(Always cracks me up how some guys don't want to carry a heavier gun that could be far more accurate when the weight difference would be negligible WHEN RETURNING TO CAMP CARRYING THE RESULT OF A SUCCESSFUL HUNT.)
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feelio Babar
Trad climber
Sneaking up behind you...
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Nov 30, 2006 - 04:20pm PT
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Yeah Brian...I agree. All a bit subjective....kind of like AK vs. AR debates. Two things I think Savage has going for it are the nice button rifled barrels they make which are way better than competitors at teh same price, and the accutrigger. Downside is the stocks are a bit rough. Anyway....I have shot plenty of both of them..and find the Savages to be more accurate at a cheaper price. My Savage 22-250 is crazy accurate...
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Nov 30, 2006 - 04:53pm PT
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If you were looking for a rifle to shoot targets with but also be able to shoot deer which would be the best choice, .243, .270 or 7mm-08? Any other caliber that would be better? I am kind of light so a gun with less kick doesn't move me around as much. Also I've been looking at Remington, Savage, Browning, CZ and Kimber, any others I should consider? Anything else I should consider before purchase?
IMHO, the .243 might be a skosh light for deer (although I've hunted with a few good friends who shoot that caliber, most have gone to a touch bigger). .270 can buck a tad too. I'd probably go with the 7mm-08. Nice cartridge.
Had a friend with a .257 Roberts. Tack driver. Neat rifle.
Might depend too on how easy it was to find the range of ammo you'd want. 7mm-08 is a pretty common round it seems. Some of the other .240/6mm to 7mm/.284 choices are less common and harder to find brass and ammo for (depending too, if you want to reload as well).
Couldn't go wrong with a Kimber, I'd think.
Someone, I seem to recall, makes a real lightweight rifle. Ultra Light Arms?
Always wanted a real lightweight rifle, as, when I did hunt, most of the time the rifle was an excuse to go for a nice hike in the mountains...
-Brian in SLC
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Ouch!
climber
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Nov 30, 2006 - 05:10pm PT
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Back when we were doing a lot of meat hunting, took loads of deer with .22 long rifle. Sneak up and punch him through the ribs and just sit back and wait for a bit. Then go get him. All bled out so it doesn't all taste like liver. Trick of the trade but probably not very nice but it makes better meat.
An average size antelope, trimmed and made into jerky will pack into a big mouth gallon jug. My kids would haul jugs back to college and they suddenly had lots of friends.
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G_Gnome
Boulder climber
Sick Midget Land
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Nov 30, 2006 - 05:11pm PT
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Thanks, I was leaning towards the 7mm-08 too. I realize that the mass of the rifle also determines how much it kicks and I wasn't worried about that aspect, just what caliper to buy. In reality, how much of a difference does the brand/accuracy have for the average hunter given that he/she is probably the limiting factor?
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Ouch!
climber
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Nov 30, 2006 - 05:32pm PT
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A casual shooter/hunter might want to stick with a caliber that some backwoods store might have ammo on the shelves. Maybe I'm out of touch. Been awhile since I've been in a backwoods store hunting rifle shells.
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Nov 30, 2006 - 05:50pm PT
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Wouldn't that be "confirmed kills?"
The weapon, the shot, have nothing to do with this type of sh#t. It is all about getting into position and trusting your spotter.
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WoodyS
Trad climber
Riverside
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Got a question. Back in my youth, I bought a WWII Enfield 303 Jungle Carbin right out of the crate cherry for twenty bucks. It kicks like a 12 G. I've had it on the range on and off over the years. I tried to get the Gunsmith in Yucca Valley to mount a sight on it last year, but he claimed it couldn't be done due to problems drilling the holes. I've been told this is a very rare rifle, quite hard to come by. Can anyone give me any info on it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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If it is a real original issue it is really rare and the gunsmith did you a favor by not modifying it.
There were lots of erzatz carbines made by modifying standard issue rifles post war. They are relatively worthless. Same holds true for "tanker" M1 Garands.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Raimit,
Thanks for that information. TGT is correct also in not drilling such a rifle. That never occurred to me. It is the real thing. I bought it in 58 or 59 at the old Sears in Riverside. They were dumping a lot of WWII surplus on the market in those days.
It is getting a bit difficult to get 303 ammo. The last I bought was being made in Serbia. There must be many 303 rifles around from WWI and WWII, so it's a little surprising that the Brits aren't still manufacturing it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Whilst they did not invent the name, the designation "Jungle Carbine" was popularised by the Santa Fe Arms Corporation in the mid to late 1950s, who imported and converted huge numbers of SMLE Mk III* and Lee-Enfield No. 4 rifles to civilian versions of the No. 5 Mk I, for the hunting and recreational shooting markets in the US. Prospective buyers must be very sure they can tell the difference between a real No. 5 and a conversion, although the easiest way to do this is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver- a genuine No 5 will have "Rifle No 5 Mk I" electrostencilled there, while a post-war conversion will generally have either no markings, or will have markings elsewhere from manufacturers who did not make the No 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or Longbranch).
From Wikipedia.
there are still conversion kits sold for $99 to make a "jungle carbine". Why anyone would want to create one out of a perfectly good SMLE is beyond me.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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all this frothing at the mouth
makes me want to be a
sniper of snipers.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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There are marking on the left: the British Crown and others difficult to read. On the right, connected to the trigger housing, is a wrap around strap with the Crown again and BSAC 1916. S ht, LE, Roman # III, six pointed star. Got me? Blonde wood all the way, eleven round clip, flash guard and bayonet mount. Also a serial # T over 3429 on right side of receiver. Looks like it may be Martian. More, peep sights.
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Ouch!
climber
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Remington and Winchester probably made more Enfields for the Brits than they did. Also made a lot for the US Army in '06 caliber. I had a Remington '06 Enfield with the big ears. Heavy old thing.
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