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ecdh
climber
the east
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May 26, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
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In an inverted pyramid:
Be fitter
Eat better
Plan better
Less stuff
Lighter stuff
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2016 - 04:54pm PT
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Only a few ice climbs in the Tetons require crampons, Black Ice Couloir being the most prominent. You will have some snow approaches where an axe will be nice in the morning when the snow is hard.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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May 26, 2016 - 06:25pm PT
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 26, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
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specificaly i am thinking the gully above the lower saddle in early to mid july?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 26, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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Also can the Owen Sipalding rap be done with a single 70m ice floss??
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 26, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
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Jim...Cragman wrote this on another thread. "Basic civility does not exist on this site.
That's why its simply not worth any time."
Dude needs to look in the mirror.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
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70 m works for the rap. Avatars work against civility Bob....how's Laurel?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 26, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
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Never understood the gear freaks and all that they carry but I came from a different time, you can see it also all outdoor sport, more gear, more clothes, more everything.
Jim, Laurel is good, check your typo. :-) Hope all is well on your end?
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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May 26, 2016 - 08:40pm PT
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The new insulating layer fabrics and shell materials are effing awesome. It's amazing how much more warmth at less weight and bulk. No comparison to stuff from the 70s. IMHO
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 26, 2016 - 09:03pm PT
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All I know is that the Rooskies and Scots I climbed with thought the bare minimum
was more than plenty.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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May 26, 2016 - 10:22pm PT
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Shackleton and his boys wore wool. Not a man lost.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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May 27, 2016 - 07:33am PT
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Going light and fast: An oldie but a goodie!
BAd
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slabbo
Trad climber
colo south
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May 27, 2016 - 09:51am PT
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If that shot had audio.."THUMP"
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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May 27, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
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Looks like decent rock and bitchin sand..
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2016 - 04:04pm PT
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The belayer in Bad Climber's photo is looking for a permanent posistion.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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May 27, 2016 - 05:10pm PT
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Maybe its a modern way of thinking where the stuff is assumed to be as important as the experience. I always cringe when I see climbers with tons of shiny stuff.
Watch the George Carlin skit about the difference between sh#t and stuff
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - May 27, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
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Damn AP.....Fed Ex came to my front door not more than five minutes ago with some nice, shiny ultralight cams from BA. I'm smashing them with rocks to take the sheen off.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 27, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
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There is some serious point-missing going on in the latter pages of this thread.
Is modern clothing radically better than old clothing?
Argue... Argue... Argue...
What f*#king difference does it make unless you're in an environment where the edge given you by modern whatevers will be the difference between success and failure? Life and death?
Climbers and explorers did way badass sh#t 75 years ago. Do I need the latest clothing & equipment to do less serious things today?
I don't think so.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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May 27, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
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I loved the scent of Mt. Mahogany on my wool sweater when climbing on Tahquitz..Generally speaking i love the smell of wool unless it's more than 3 days old...
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 27, 2016 - 07:18pm PT
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You guys persist in misunderstanding.
I'd far rather wear the latest, lightest, most comfortable, most storm-proof, most whatever, clothing available. And Totem cams are the sh#t. But success on anything I climb is not going to depend on the clothes I'm wearing or the gear on my rack. And that goes for probably 99% of the people who post and read here.
What we're talking about is not need, but comfort. Or maybe desire.
And Craig, I'm not sure what my oldest bit of climbing/outdoor equipment in current use is. Probably some stoppers from the dark ages. But that doesn't mean I think you, or me, or anybody, shouldn't use modern clothing and equipment. Just that we shouldn't think it's required. No matter what any of us puts on our rack, we're not going to keep up with the ghost of Walter Bonatti. For that matter, no matter what I wear or put on my rack, I'm not going to be able to do the things I did with the gear-of-the-day forty years ago.
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