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Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 14, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
Fascinating Blah. That'll teach me to believe what I read on the Internet :)

Still, if he did quote that, he was up to something....
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Feb 14, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
can the next president renominate that same person to the newly elected Senate, or would she be disqualified from consideration for this vacancy, since the previous Senate already rejected her?


From Wikipedia:
3 had formal votes on the nominations that were postponed.
One of these nominations was reconsidered after a change in Senate composition and confirmed.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 14, 2016 - 06:53pm PT

No Popcorn.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Feb 14, 2016 - 08:07pm PT
No Popcorn.

No real beer, either.

Unless the beer at hand while you type politard sentiments onto Stuportoprope is over 8.0% ABV, your opinion will be discarded.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 14, 2016 - 09:06pm PT
I read that Scalia believed that the constitution was a static document. A "dead" document, in his words. His belief was that the constitution could not be changed.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 14, 2016 - 09:15pm PT
So here is my prediction:

Obama will nominate "Sri" Srinivasan, who would be the first Indian-American to ascend the court.

There is no question that he is qualified, even from the Repg perspective.

He is currently a federal appeals court for the DC district. He was nominated by Obama in 2013.

He was approved by the Senate 97-0

So, if they say they won't vote on him, or he is unqualified, why did they vote for him the first time??????
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2016 - 09:27pm PT
I agree--good picks and strategy.

It's outrageous, not even considering a nominee. And for all the folks who say that democrats are equally, if not, more obstructionist, explain this.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 14, 2016 - 09:34pm PT
That is a remarkable story by Axelrod.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Feb 14, 2016 - 09:48pm PT

And for all the folks who say that democrats are equally, if not, more obstructionist, explain this.

haven't the Demo's been for a long time a rebellion against the Conservative philosophy?


Who came first?? and Who should stay???
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2016 - 10:15pm PT
haven't the Demo's been for a long time a rebellion against the Conservative philosophy?

Both sides have opposed each other.

But the republicans have gone from opposing dem policies to abdicating their responsibility to govern. This failure to even consider the president's nominee is the latest, and it's inexcusable and deplorable.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Feb 14, 2016 - 11:59pm PT
It is astonishing just how fast the GOP politicized the death of one of their own. Within minutes of the announcement of Scalia's death, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Senate would not act on any Obama nominee for the Supreme Court. McConnell's preemptive rejection of any and all nominees is unprecedented in the history of the United States.

Way to go, Leader.

By contrast, Barack Obama, Hillary-Billary and Bernie Sanders all offered their condolences to Scalia's family. They've decorously refrained from publicly discussing the nation's gratitude for a new, progressive era for the Supreme Court.



The GOP is, truly, a party of politically opportunistic cannibals.
Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz joined that old buzzard, Mitch McConnell, in feasting on the still-warm carcass of Antonin Scalia.


"There comes a point in the last year of the president, especially in their second term, where you stop nominating" both Supreme Court justices and Court of Appeals judges.

— Marco Rubio on Sunday, February 14th, 2016 in comments on "Meet the Press"

RUBIO IS WRONG. READILY AVAILABLE FACTS IMMEDIATELY REFUTE HIS FALSE STATEMENT.



"It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year," Cruz said. "There is a long tradition that you don't do this in an election year."

— Ted Cruz on Sunday, February 14th, 2016 in comments on "Meet the Press"

THERE IS NO SUCH "TRADITION" - SUPREME COURT VACANCIES ARE RARE, PERIOD.



They don't just lie, or get the math wrong - they make stuff up out of thin air. They say whatever they think a target audience wants to hear.

You would think that Rubio and Cruz, who have words to thank for their positions, would hire some competent speech coaches, or at least practice what they're going to say, before making inarticulate statements on national television. Then again, maybe they're just pandering to Trump's target audience, which is notorious for being grammatically-challenged.




Here are two FACTUAL traditions that both Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, as United States Senators, know to be true:


THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN INSTANCE WHEN A SITTING PRESIDENT DECLINED TO FILL A SUPREME COURT VACANCY WHEN IT OCCURRED DURING HIS TERM.


DURING THE PREVIOUS 152 YEARS, EVERY SUPREME COURT VACANCY DURING A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR WAS FILLED THAT SAME YEAR.



Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are liars and manipulators.
Their supporters are either sheep, asleep, stupid, mesmerized, or hypnotized.


I don't remember any Presidential election in my lifetime as having so many obviously false, immediately debunked statements being made by candidates.

These guys have no shame, no sense of decorum and no sense of what it means to lead by example. It's not a coincidence that the same candidates calling for deregulation (lawlessness) continually lie to the public.


Rubio and Cruz say they don't want their young children anywhere near Donald Trump's potty mouth. But, supposedly, they're OK with their children being exposed to their own self-serving, blatant lies.





SUPREME COURT NOMINATIONS DURING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEARS - 1864 to PRESENT


nominee - - - nomination date - - - confirmation date


Abe Fortas - - - Jun 26, 1968 - - - withdrawn

Homer Thornberry - - - Jun 26, 1968 - - - withdrawn

Frank Murphy - - - Jan 4, 1940 - - - Jan 16, 1940

Benjamin Cardozo - - - Feb 15, 1932 - - - Feb 24, 1932

John Clarke - - - Jul 14, 1916 - - - Jul 24, 1916

Mahlon Pitney - - - Feb 19, 1912 - - - Mar 13, 1912

George Shiras, Jr. - - - Jul 19, 1892 - - - Jul 26, 1892

Melville Fuller - - - Apr 30, 1888 - - - Jul 20, 1888

William Woods - - - Dec 15, 1880 - - - Dec 21, 1880

Ward Hunt - - - Dec 3, 1872 - - - Dec 11, 1872

Salmon Chase - - - Dec 6, 1864 - - - Dec 6, 1864




Those facts are from the Senate's website, not from out of thin air:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/nominations/Nominations.htm



//There were no Supreme Court vacancies in 1968, but there were two failed nominations that year. Democratic President Lyndon Johnson nominated Associate Justice Abe Fortas in 1968 to replace Chief Justice Earl Warren, who wanted to retire. When the Republican-controlled Senate told Johnson that they would not confirm Fortas, Johnson withdrew Fortas' nomination. Earl Warren remained Chief Justice until he retired in 1969. Homer Thornberry was nominated in 1968 to fill the vacancy created when Fortas was elevated to Chief Justice, which didn't happen.

Supreme Court Justice Pierce Butler died on November 16, 1939. His seat at the Court was still vacant in 1940, when it was filled by Frank Murphy.//



EDIT: I forgot to add the two Supreme Court nominations in 1968 that occurred, even though there was no vacancy to fill. Earl Warren and Lyndon Johnson made a deal, see, and well, Strom Thurmond screwed them both out of what they wanted . . . . . .

I clarified that Murphy filled a seat in 1940 that became vacant in late 1939.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Feb 15, 2016 - 05:19am PT
Great news!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Feb 15, 2016 - 05:35am PT
Gonna be interesting when the stock market opens on Tuesday...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 15, 2016 - 06:01am PT
Very informative posts,Tom and Splater.

http://samuel-warde.com/2016/02/elizabeth-warren-blasts-republican-obstructionism/

Ghost......LOL.

As far as beer north of 8%,"Not while I am drinking"
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2016 - 06:04am PT
Good post Tom. I like your list at the bottom.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Feb 15, 2016 - 06:54am PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 15, 2016 - 07:18am PT
If you've ever believed that people can disagree passionately about politics and still respect and care for each other as friends, the friendship of Justice Antonin Scalia and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a comfort and an inspiration.

He was the Supreme Court's most outspoken conservative; she is its most outspoken liberal. But their friendship became famous, not just because of its odd-couple unexpectedness but because their mutual respect and affection for each other was obviously genuine.

They and their families spent New Year's Eve together every year. They rode together on an elephant in India (Scalia joked that Ginsburg betrayed her feminism by sitting behind him), and Scalia watched Ginsburg go parasailing in the south of France ("She's so light, you would think she would never come down. I would not do that").

So it's no surprise that of all the tributes to Justice Scalia, who died Saturday of an apparent heart attack at the age of 79, Justice Ginsburg's is uniquely moving. It's a tribute to Scalia as an interlocutor, a fellow opera lover — including a reference to the opera Scalia/Ginsburg: A (Gentle) Parody of Operatic Proportions, which debuted in 2015 — and a "best buddy."

Toward the end of the opera Scalia/Ginsburg, tenor Scalia and soprano Ginsburg sing a duet: 'We are different, we are one,' different in our interpretation of written texts, one in our reverence for the Constitution and the institution we serve. From our years together at the D.C. Circuit, we were best buddies. We disagreed now and then, but when I wrote for the Court and received a Scalia dissent, the opinion ultimately released was notably better than my initial circulation. Justice Scalia nailed all the weak spots—the 'applesauce' and 'argle bargle'—and gave me just what I needed to strengthen the majority opinion. He was a jurist of captivating brilliance and wit, with a rare talent to make even the most sober judge laugh. The press referred to his 'energetic fervor,' 'astringent intellect,' 'peppery prose,' 'acumen,' and 'affability,' all apt descriptions. He was eminently quotable, his pungent opinions so clearly stated that his words never slipped from the reader’s grasp.

Justice Scalia once described as the peak of his days on the bench an evening at the Opera Ball when he joined two Washington National Opera tenors at the piano for a medley of songs. He called it the famous Three Tenors performance. He was, indeed, a magnificent performer. It was my great good fortune to have known him as working colleague and treasured friend.

It's easy to mourn the lack of civility in contemporary American politics; politicians on both sides talk glowingly about the time when Ronald Reagan could invite Democratic House Speaker Tip O'Neill to the White House for a drink to work out a conflict. It's just as easy to say that civility is for people who don't have the courage of their convictions — that if people genuinely disagree about what is best for America, they shouldn't have to put that aside for the sake of small talk.

What makes Ginsburg's statement remarkable is that it shows how superficial both sides of the civility argument are.

The respect that Ginsburg's statement shows for Scalia's intellect — that she could trust him to point out the flaws in her arguments — also reveals a respect for her own, to know the difference between a genuine agreement of principle and an error that needed to be corrected. But more importantly, the statement shows that it's okay for people in politics to spend time cultivating other interests — like opera — and that those can be a genuine basis for friendship in their own right.

Arguably, that's easier for appointed judges than it is for elected officials. It's still rare. And it's still worth celebrating.

It's not just atypical in contemporary American politics for people to be both ideological adversaries and close personal friends. It's atypical for contemporary American political figures to even be close personal friends with each other. Justices Scalia and Ginsburg showed just how much everyone else was missing. That won't be as significant to Scalia's legacy as his jurisprudence, but maybe it should.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/14/10990156/scalia-ginsburg-friends
MisterE

Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
Feb 15, 2016 - 07:34am PT
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/justice-scalia-dead-following-30-year-battle-socia-52356
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Technically...the spawning grounds of Yosemite
Feb 15, 2016 - 07:40am PT
Against all better sense of reason, I can't help myself...

The only occasion I recall ever nodding in assent (at least in part) to something that Justice Scalia wrote (dissenting) was in the Brand X decision. (I'm a technology geek.)

He authored countless opinions with which I vehemently disagree.

Yet I find it profoundly sad that the world has suddenly lost such a brilliant legal mind and man. If you don't keep your mind open to listening to those who disagree with you, you lose perspective and become entrenched...fixated on being right in your opinion. Many of my closest, longest-known friends are actually on the exact opposite end of the political spectrum from me -- I respect them as human beings and for their abilities to articulate perspectives I may not have considered otherwise.

I had the good fortune to hear Justice Scalia live, in person, twice. The first was during a speech that he gave when I was in school (the man knew the Tolkien trilogy). The second time was during a Supreme Court oral argument on the 4th amendment (Kyllo v. US). (Justice Scalia went on to author the majority opinion, finding that the use of technology by police to detect heat emanation from a house was a "search" (based on recollection -- don't quote me on it).) Perhaps hearing him speak outside of the confines of the Supreme Court humanized him for me.

Nevertheless, he was a person, and an incredibly funny, bright and warm one, at that. There's already so much rancor being spewed about in the race for the presidency... My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 15, 2016 - 07:43am PT
It seems that some liberals in the media are now fauning over Scalia. Why? Because he was a friend of Ginsburg?
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