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dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 13, 2016 - 02:15pm PT


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/us/antonin-scalia-death.html?_r=0
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Feb 13, 2016 - 02:26pm PT
Now things will get interesting...
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2016 - 02:30pm PT
Yes. Very interesting. Shocking.

Apparently he was hunting yesterday and didn't show up for breakfast today. Mercifully it sounds quick. Do something you love one day and die the next.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 13, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
Cold^^^^^^^^^


RIP .
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2016 - 03:01pm PT
Some conservatives-Cruz-- are already saying Obama should not be allowed to appoint a replacement, even though a new president will not take office for nearly a year, and it would take many months for the new president to nominate a replacement and for confirmation. In other words, it could be 18 months before there is a new Justice.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/13/10987012/should-obama-replace-scalia
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:03pm PT
Can they actually deny Obama the ability to appoint someone?
NutAgain!

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
Constitution... Article 2, discussing powers of the President... from Section 2:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Probably some changes in the details since then, but it does seem they can block his nominations indefinitely by not consenting to his choices.
monolith

climber
state of being
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
Obama can nominate, but unlikely a vote will be allowed this term.
Lurkingtard

climber
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
Finally.






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Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
Absolutely the most obstructionist congress I have seen in my lifetime. Paid slackers living high on the hog, nearly one and all IMO.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
Mitch McConnell just said Obama should not be allowed to fill it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-nation-live/liveblog/live-updates-reactions-to-justice-antonin-scalias-death/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_scalia-liveblog%3Aliveblog%2Fpromo



So, that settles that.


There will be a ton of 4-4 decisions in the next year, meaning that a ton of lower court decisions will stand.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Lassitude 33
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:41pm PT
Raises the stakes for this election even more.

With Ginsburg even older (82 years old) and looking to retire and Breyer also 82, either there will be a slight tilt to the center left (a Democrat Pres) or even more to the right (a Republican Pres).

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 13, 2016 - 03:53pm PT
Obama can nominate, but unlikely a vote will be allowed this term.


Agreed.

Our Presidents history, has been to do things that are as far to the ideological Left as can be. Neverminding whether possible or not. He'd rather be known, for a string of Ultra Left non approved appointees, than for getting in a Justice, that leans Left, but a sterling experienced Justice, that could pass the Senate. He'll watch the world burn for some months, while awaiting a career that will make the Clintons, post Presidential career, appear tame by comparison.

It's already interesting, for once, the news cycle isn't dominated by Trumps latest outrage.
dirtbag

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 13, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
Pending cases that could see 4-4 decisions, which would keep intact the appellate court's decision:



http://www.vox.com/2016/2/13/10987116/scalia-supreme-court-tie
Jorroh

climber
Feb 13, 2016 - 04:04pm PT
Aren't there certain Obama nominee's that have been waiting for years?

I can certainly see a role for Congress in vetting appointees. It seems like this congress is doing something really unprecedented though.
Is it reasonable to hold up so many appointees for no apparent reason other than they don't accept the twice-elected president as legitimate?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 13, 2016 - 04:09pm PT
Our Presidents history, has been to do things that are as far to the ideological Left as can be.

This is the delusion of perspective suffered by most of the right today. The gop has moved so far to the fringe right that Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon and even Reagan would be castigated as liberals today. It's a political doppler shift - you've moved so far to the right that centrist politicians of either party look like extreme leftists. The reality is Obama stayed the course with half of W's nightmare and what little else he has accomplished could hardly be called progressive let alone far left.

Scalia? Good riddance. He was one of the worst jurists ever with the exception of Thomas who is without a doubt one among the ranks of the worst of the worst to ever sit on that lofty bench.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 13, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
Total agreement with that.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Feb 13, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
puullleezz. The records of Kagan and Sotomeyer, speak for themselves.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 13, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
Both are legal giants compared to Thomas.
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Feb 13, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
or at least kagan and sotomayor can speak. Has Thomas had his lips welded shut?
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