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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 04:19am PT
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Where did I say it was a common occurrence? I said I know 5 people who were molested... that's a pretty small percentage of the people I know.
What I said is that you are a pathetic fool for immediately questioning the validity of my claim based on the fact that the offenders happened to share your same religious delusions.
You want me to admit that some unsubstantiated crime you pull out of your hat on ST...indeed happened... yet nothing about what you attempted to do to remedy your friend's predicament.
Do you realize how idiotic Penn State fans looked when they said basically the same thing in the light of the accusations against Sandusky? I don't want or need you to admit anything "indeed happened."
What I want, and the children of your community need, is for idiots like you to pull their heads out of their asses and accept the fact that the religious (or sports) titles you put on people DON'T MEAN SH#T. Many sexual predators seek out EXACTLY THOSE POSITIONS of authority and trust.
You don't have to admit it to me, but you should admit to yourself... if I had said it was a professor or a teacher or a coach who molested my friend, you wouldn't have thought twice about whether or not it was true.
Which brings us full circle... any openly gay person in the BS or the Moron church would be an easy target. Any accusation from a homophobic redneck fuknard would be take way more seriously against an openly gay individual than a bishop with repressed homosexual desires/curiosities.
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2013 - 05:04am PT
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ok then..
I'm sorry for your experiences wes. I agree with you that the predators seek out positions of authority. However, the issue isn't strictly an LDS matter. Sure, it's creepy. it's creepy NO MATTER who does it. singling out a group you don't agree with is a demonstration of a lack of tolerance.
I won't debate the religious issue. not worth my time, but have at it.
don't make me delete this thread dammit
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 31, 2013 - 05:46am PT
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No, but mormons have a long history of molesting children - they just call them 'wives' and then all is well.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jan 31, 2013 - 05:54am PT
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but mormons have a long history of molesting children
Please substantiate...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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healyje, Jennie is right. Marrying 14 year olds is not official church doctrine. Sure, they did it in the past and even their founder married 14 year old girls. But they haven't "officially" done it since the mid-19th century, so it doesn't really count.
That's another great thing about being a Moron... not only do they get to hide behind a shield of unwarranted, self-perceived righteousness, they also get to change their official stance on pretty much anything they want. All it takes is for the right MAN to have a psychotic episode... I mean revelation. And voila! Those who still believe what they used to preach are now outcast as Fundamentalist LDS, and the sheeple who believe the new line of bullshit are the official LDS.
Like when Allan Watts had his rap bolting revelation. Sure, people still use widgets and spring loaded spam catchers, but they are "traditional climbers"... not "climbers."
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
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Ron, did they swear oaths to God and country several times a day?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
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I'm pretty sure there is no such requirement to be a scout master. You just need approval from the proper (religious) authorities. The 2 weeks I was in scouts we had a woman as a scout master. She never fondled me.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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Then it weren't BSA. It was you talking a group of kids fishing, etc. My dad and the patrons of his bar did the exact same thing for us. We always had a blast.
Check the proto-ARMY adds... THAT is the BSA.
http://www.scouting.org/Youth.aspx
They gots oaths and sh#t you MUST recite ad nausea to get "promoted."
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 31, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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healyje, Jennie is right. Marrying 14 year olds is not official church doctrine. Sure, they did it in the past and even their founder married 14 year old girls. But they haven't "officially" done it since the mid-19th century, so it doesn't really count.
Yeah, they bumped it up to 15 - still a child.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 31, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
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Bill is an Eagle Scout, a 100% Jewish Boy and his troop was run by the Local Baptist Church. Bill loved it, got into climbing, sailing, archery, and fly fishing because of the Scouts. He never felt out of place because he wasn't part of the Church. They hosted it, but that was it, the rest was pure scout stuff and he has many fond memories of the fun, the pranks, and the adventures of his troops.
Also my best friend is a Biochemistry Professor, an Atheist, and an Eagle Scout. He still regularly volunteers for the Scouts. His favorite part is the pranks. He never had a problem with his point of view being interfered by the scouts, he goes with the flow, enjoys helping kids experience new things, etc.
It is what you make of it.
Yes, some troops are a bit insane. A troop could be run by and ex Navy Seal, or some end of the world survivalist, or a religious nut. Each troop is different and that's why it's important to "know" the troop your kid is joining. People need to be picky but overall, Boy Scouts as a bad thing... Yeah, I really don't think so...
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 31, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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Why is this important? If I had a gay child I wouldnt want them joining, hell I wouldn't want my straight kid joining.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
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Anastasia, those were not BSA in Utah or Idaho. Hell, even the Morons outside of Utah/Idaho are generally cooler people... although still a bit smug and self-righteous about their beliefs... as if believing even crazier sh#t about the god of abraham is some kind of achievement to be proud of.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 31, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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Some kids flourish in the Scouts. My very first climbing partners had all been scouts in Ventura.. They were the most fun, wild, crazy adventure awesome folks I have ever had the pleasure of backpacking, climbing, and getting thrown in the river by... Yes, they did that... I was taking too long to wake up. It was hilarious and it did work.
It was because of them I've gone deep into the Sespe. Because of them I learned how to backpack correctly, use a map and compass, hiked part of the John Muir Trail, got into my first natural hot tubs, saw my first Indian painted cave, explored an old mine, etc.
They met each other through the scouts, one of them took an interest in me and I ended up learning so much while he Romanced me... Even when he gave up they still took me out and I am deeply grateful for them. I would not have even been in this adventure world without them, none of you would have known me, etc.
Plus, the Scouts help my husband become who he is. My best friend, etc. My life is better because of them so yeah, what is not to like? Now will I "force" Aris to be a scout? No way, but if he likes it, I'm game. Again, scouts is not for everyone but when it works, why the heck not?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jan 31, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
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the scouts seems like a terrible place to meet girls.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jan 31, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
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Yeah I agree with you too mechrist....mormons and thier silly beliefs, we should gather them all up in one place so we can keep an eye on them. Jews too....their beliefs are just sooooooo annoying! Always with the molesting of kids! Its just like blacks always eating watermelons!
Stupid f*#king hindus too with thier dumb elephants lets add them to mechrists concentration camp! Who else...oh of course...christians!
I agree with you mechrist I hate them all and they should die
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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way to write between the lines sillycyborg.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jan 31, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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You dripping with a hatred for mormons, mechrist. It is ok because you aren't hating on blacks or jews? I don't see a difference.
Mormons aren't your problem, its as#@&%es that treated you poorly when you were young, child molesters, ect and I think black white jew christians muslims athiests can all agree on that one
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 31, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
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You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?
I've never been approached by a black person or a Jewish person who tried to convince me to become one of them or share their wackass beliefs. As far as I know, you don't have to pay 10% of your income to some organization in order to be considered a good black person and send forth 19 year olds with the title "Elder" to spread Blackism to all corners of the world. You can ALWAYS choose to stop being a Moron, you can NEVER stop being black or Jewish.
I've said it over and over and over... Mormons outside of Utah and Idaho are a hell of a lot cooler (on average) than those behind the Zion curtain. Many of them even agree the Morons in Utah/Idaho are fuked in the head.
That being said, I still hold quite a few SLC climbers in very high regard... who happen to be Mormon. I think their beliefs are silly, I think a lot of people's thoughts are silly, but that doesn't change the fact that they are top notch people. I know about 5 cool Mormons, out of the hundreds of Morons I've dealt with... that includes my brother and mom.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Jan 31, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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You are just splitting hairs in definitions. Words are just words brother, but your negativity spirals outward.
Take the high road, you don't have to feed back the baddies, otherwise you ARE them, one and the same. Hate will never conquer love, but love can snuff out hate.....and easily I might add. Where are you in this balancing act?
In a thread about accepting gays, no less. Oh the irony.
I am just hoping to spread a little light to where I see some darkness my friend...peace and love to you
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 31, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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When friends ask me to buy popcorn, etc., to support their kid in the scouts... I just say No.
And I tell them why.
Vote with your money. Don't give it to the BSA.
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