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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 30, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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BSA is currently conducting a poll regarding a change in current policies. Call 972-580-2330 and vote to end the ban.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
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Sigh. Why join an organization that has been around for a very long time, that is known to not accept homosexual individuals?
It's their right to refuse people. They shouldn't be pressured into changing their ways, no matter how you feel about them.
Join another organization.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
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Yeah forcing those Diners to serve folks was bad in the 60's too eh?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
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*ba dum peeeeeshh*
But no, seriously. I'm not homophobic or anti gay, but I just can't see why would you want to join an organization that doesn't want you?
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
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Wow, really?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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Wow, my opinion, really?
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Michelle
Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
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I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
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but I just can't see why would you want to join an organization that doesn't want you?
Too change it into a great experience for all.
Once it changes, and it will, then more folks will have the fantastic experience of Boy Scouts. Both sides will benefit.
So let's get this change done and buried in the past as soon as possible.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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The BSA is a horrible, horrible organization... at least in Utah. No self-respecting person would ever expose their kids to that bullsh#t.
Homoclimbtastic is a WAY better organization.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
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I say that Scout leaders should take a leadership course through homoclimbtastic.
Not that they really deserve to have as much fun as it must be there.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
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"It's their right to refuse people."
That's true...the SCOTUS confirmed this right, and they stuck to their policies.
Their recent announcement of a potential/likely reversal of this policy is clear evidence that they are reacting to the will & interests of their members, and the society of parents who are considering whether the BSA is the kind of organization they want their kids to be associated with.
Like so many other archaic socially conservative (aka retarded) practices that have existed in our country, this one appears destined for the dustbin of history. It's about time.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
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I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.
Well, statistically, most people are straight (somewhere between 75% and 99%). So I suspect that someone who has not yet discovered their sexual orientation can still make a fairly good guess about it. Then again, if the 25% gay rate among males is true, the BSA is probably already 23% gay.
As to joining an organization that doesn't want you, everyone has the right to tell other people what they want. It's part of their freedom of speech. If someone wants to change the Buy Scouts of America to accept gays, that is there prerogative. Their reasons for this are their own and they have already decided that they want to be in an organization that doesn't want them.
Heck, it is part of our very political process to try to change the organization instead of leaving it. People don't leave the USA because the laws don't work like they want; they try to change it. Why can't the BSA be the same?
Dave
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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darn busy signals...
must be a popular poll... or a shortage of lines
:-)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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Then again, if the 25% gay rate among males is true, the BSA is probably already 23% gay.
There is a big difference between being gay and being a religitard with repressed homosexual tendencies. The BSA and Catholic Crutch attract the latter.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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Good step. Hopefully that organization can evolve past the Spanish inquisitions moral code. Lol.
Although I agree that you can have whatever hate clubs that make you happy do long as you don't act on it...
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
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It's a yes and no thing for me...
I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...
Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)
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mhay
climber
Reno, NV
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Jan 30, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
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Why next, people of color may want to join? Or women? Sheesh! These nerve of these people!
Or worse, an out ATHEIST! Which apparently they still won't accept, even if they change their policy on out gays.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jan 30, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
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I was a Boy Scout until I got into high school, seemed a bit gay after that. The one guy who stayed in and became a scout leader was almost certainly gay. My scout master lived down the street from us, I remember being home on leave and my dad telling me about how the scout master (a very stand up guy) got outed for having swing parties at his house. That was a way weird conversation with dad in 1979, like all good dads he was straight up square.
I did not have my son join the scouts, really don't think they offer anything I can not provide, and I do not like their policy regarding gays.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 30, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
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When I was a kid, the local scout master's son got beat up after we found out he was forcing the younger kids in the hood to suck his dick in their trailer.
I think having openly gay members would be a huge improvement over the rampant repressed homosexuality they currently foster. But the BSA sucks, regardless.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 30, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
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I realize a lot of folks here at the Taco had great experiences in the Boy Scouts.
The only Boy Scout troop in the small Idaho town I grew up in was Mormon.
The Mormom Church has an elaborate & careful plan for their boy scouts.
http://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/scouting-handbook-2012.pdf?lang=eng
Kids from many faiths, including my slightly Christian background, joined the local Mormon troop. Some did very well, but I didn't. Guess I just wasn't good at being in a para-military youth group. I really am not a "joiner" or an "organization man" to this day.
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