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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:08am PT
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It also sucks when Aholes let their dogs run around the top of a crag, knocking rocks off on to climbers. Places like Paradise Forks where you rap in.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:10am PT
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hey there say, man oh man, i wanted to jump in here and say "get well soon" to you, blackbird... :)
but had a few chores to do, in between me reading this at the ol' face book, and then getting over to HERE... and whewww, seems the ol' thread is at 109, now... and growing ... :)
say, my mom, too, was simply riding her bike around the block, once, years back... a dog ran right out and jumped up, fling at her, and bit her in the thigh... rightly said, she was shocked... (cant remember the whole story of what she did, but i'm fit to ask her now)... took a LONG time for it to get well, too.... :(
me, i never understood why dogs weren't on leashes, but then, we grew up in san jose, and i think, unless it was a rumor to "scare us"--dogs were supposed to be on a leash, as it was a law (??) *course the pound could pick them up, if they ran off, or a car could hit them...
well, always had my dogs on leashes--just did not want to lose them...
aslo:
dana B-- i think that to some dog owners, the dogs are an "extention" of themselves (possessions that extend to 'create' a persona, etc) that is why some dog owners are so rude, etc, if you dare to even 'look wrong' at their dog... (not saying everyone is like this, but you get my drift)... some folks, sadly, are like this with their children, too:
you thus, can't tell them a THING about their dog, or their kids, without it being an act of "war" against their "persona"...
does that help, a mite, as to why some folks are so bad when you deal with them?
of course,
if one has dogs, just cause they love dogs, that is very different, of course... :)
well, lastly, dogs are dogs, and owners, if they take up the responsibility of having one, must learn to understand the "dog world"--meaning, "dogs are NOT people" they don't behave as people-folks, we, must learn all there is, as to how and why, they do what they do, and when, and why, they CAN and WILL try to, or, actually,bite...
and, oooops, one more, lastly:
some dogs, meaning patty ann marie, for instance, well....
she just prefers a quiet sofa, and some pillows, INSTEAD of...
jerry springer! ohmy.... :O
really?
*course, i don't have cable for tv, so what do i know... :O
:))
get well, soon, blackbird...
very sorry to hear that you got bit...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:25am PT
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hey there say, jim.... oh, yes... they are such fun... (and other critters, too)...
it is always, fun, too, when we really DO see them for what they are:
critters... uniquely, non-human, in special ways...
:)
edit:
ooops can't get dictionary out 'til tomorrow.. but will go and look it up, then...
nite, all...
:)
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Anastasia
climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
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Jan 18, 2011 - 12:30am PT
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I am also usually psyched to see dogs at the crag... Yet I agree, it should have an easy going personality or be left at home. It is the owner's responsibility to prevent incidents from happening and there is no excuse with allowing a dog to attack people.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:28am PT
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Puppies: A three part tale
When I was 12 years old I got mauled by a Chow. Broke 5 bones in my left hand, I was told I would have minimal use of it (its OK I am a righty). This was back when I was in love with nothing but basketball and it killed my ability to play for over a year and subsequently I didn't make it onto the high school team (also I stopped growing that year, so it wouldn't have gone far anyway, and basketball is for gayz). A TON of work on it and its 100%, though I never found out where that bone chip went out to.
Fast forward to 2009. I'm 25 years old and my parents buy a Boxer. A MUSCULAR, SUPER energetic boxer. It is all sinew and testosterone. I wrestle and play (maybe too hard) every time I visit him. We are super close. I very much am the alpha male and every once in a while he crosses the line. On at least one occasion I have accidentally choked him unconscious (tee hee!). I would feel bad had it not been for the fact that I've had it happen to myself enough that I know it causes minimal brain damage.
Summer 2010. At tahquitz, I see dogs. Lots. Sometimes 3 or 4 per visit. Overall maybe I saw 25? In those 25 three have barked as I walked by (the others were super cuddly). Of those 3, one tried to rush me. Idiot f*#k face dog owner left a sheep dog of some sort, maybe 40 pounds, at Lunch Rock. Was "guarding" his pack (right next to mine). F*#ker.
I am lightly annoyed at being rained out and having to retreat to my pack, much more so to see idiot yapper. It is FREAKED out, probably because the hour of rain that pelted him, and is in full panic/aggression. I have my little sister with me. Its buried its hind legs and is ready to throw down.
I charge the f*#ker with every intent to dominate that bitch. Get right up to it, its jumping up at me and I grab it by the collar (luckily it had one, otherwise I would probably have gotten jacked lol) with both hands and hold it against the ground. Get a knee on it. Look it in the eye - say with authority "NO."
Dog was cool after that.
Oh, and if your dog has trouble remembering who you are, probably its because I cut off its carotid artery for a little too long :)
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Willoughby
Social climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:33am PT
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"The rules don't apply to my dog" attitude is sooooo pervasive, too.
Here at Tahoe, many if not most of the beaches are leash-only or No Dogs, and people ignore these rules completely. As a birder, it pisses me off to no end when I'm trying to scout a beach for migrants and people's dogs are running around chasing everything off. "Oh, they're just having fun." Yeah, tell that to the shorebird that's halfway through a 5,000 mile southbound migration, and just trying to catch a break and grab a little snack.
Classic example, coupled with the classic denial, happened a year or two ago. I'm setup with my scope on Kings Beach, scanning the lake for loons and such, when along comes some lady with her little yappers running willy-nilly everywhere, which is a well-posted no-no. As soon as they make me, they're freaking out, running all around me and barking like crazy. "Oh, it must be your tripod. They never bark like that."
"No lady, it must be your dogs."
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:51am PT
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When I was just a little kid and got a pet dog, I bit back every time - and hard. My folks told me dogs only had one-third of the nerve-endings of humans, so I held him down and bit three times as hard (approximately). After a few rounds of that game, Pete never bit anyone else in his life and was a very well-behaved dog.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:52am PT
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I didn't want to hurt the guy, he was just scared and abandoned. I did want to let it know that it wasn't in charge so there was nothing to protect :)
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 18, 2011 - 02:55am PT
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gotta fight fire with fire mister
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 18, 2011 - 03:43am PT
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where the fock do you get an ocelot??
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sjellison
Mountain climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jan 18, 2011 - 04:53am PT
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casual thing? how long do they live?
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bjj
climber
beyond the sun
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Jan 18, 2011 - 06:12am PT
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Don't f*#k with other peoples dogs or their stuff. If you are too close it WILL make the dog nervious, maybe you don't have to climb RIGHT NEXT to the dog just right now?? 20-30 feet away should be a minimum for most dogs, because you WILL be inside MY zone of comfort if you are less than that, and I never bother yelling at my dogs for something somebody is doing that pisses ME off"
What the f*#k?
People have to go out of their way not to climb something near where your off leashed dogs are hanging out? Or else suffer you "wrath"?
You sound like a first class as#@&%e and you if this is really how you act in real life (which I highly doubt) then your destiny to have your head caved in by someone who doesn't want to have to relocate to avoid making your dogs "nervous" is pretty much guaranteed.
You keyboard posturing isn't impressing anyone. I GUARANTEE I will climb anywhere I want, and you and your dogs will stay well away from me while I am trying to enjoy a crag and not otherwise bothering you or your dogs.
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bjj
climber
beyond the sun
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Jan 18, 2011 - 06:25am PT
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Lol. What a total blowhard. You're the one bragging. You probably really think that "age and treachery beats youth and strength". No one is buying it. You sound ridiculous trying to impress God knows who here.
Keep your goddamned dogs on a leash and under control and everything will be fine. You have NO RIGHT to put someone else in an uncomfortable situation with your dogs who are off leash in probably violation of the law. Same way I keep my dog on a leash when I take it somewhere we might run into other people.
See how easy that is? Take a second think about the right way to behave and no one will have to worry about "taking you on". Blowhard.
"You youngsters can brag about how tough you are all you want, but given a young man or an older one, I will f*#k with the younger every time over the older one. The old ones been through hell and war and all kinds of sh#t over the last few decades, and the young ones been in high school.
Don't think that grey hair means pussy like a little wooly cap does.
You take me on, and I am going to have little reason to not finish you quickly. I know enough to make sure its quick and done, and I got little pity after as many years of hard times as I have had. You may think you have some advantage in physicality, and I will likely believe that too. So I compensate throughly when possible. That I am willing to take you on at all given your obvious superiority should scare the piss out of you. You only get one chance kid, and you only get that if you make the right decision."
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bjj
climber
beyond the sun
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Jan 18, 2011 - 06:33am PT
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People who don't have dogs and don't spend a lot of time around them may not know the difference between a dog running up being friendly and a dog thats aggressive. And you have NO RIGHT to put them in the position to have to figure it out.
I know the difference, but if I didn't and your dog runs up to me, or God forbid my girl or her kid, it may get a kick in the face because better safe than sorry. And if that's a problem because you couldn't be bothered to observe common courtesy and leash your dog then you might get similar treatment. People's rights come before that of your dogs. Period.
C'mon ROckjox, fake internet tough guy. Let's hear how you think it will play out.
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jopay
climber
so.il
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Jan 18, 2011 - 08:36am PT
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As Inspector Clouseau bends over to pet a dog he asks the man does your dog bite?, the man replies no, Clouseau is then bitten and replies I thought you said your dog does not bite. Man replies that is not my dog.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jan 18, 2011 - 08:44am PT
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Don't f*#k with other peoples dogs or their stuff. If you are too close it WILL make the dog nervious, maybe you don't have to climb RIGHT NEXT to the dog just right now?? 20-30 feet away should be a minimum for most dogs, because you WILL be inside MY zone of comfort if you are less than that, and I never bother yelling at my dogs for something somebody is doing that pisses ME off"
You must never have climbed @ twall, where I am guessing this incident took place (and routes are stacked literally feet apart and the trail runs right along the baseBold Text)...
Dogs in general @ the crags suck...(how about everyone elses comfort zone?) between turds, scraps, stealing food, pissing, fighting, getting territorial (on peeps) barking, choking/getting caught with their leash-something we've helped with many times while owner(s) up on cliff, etc, so on. in general it's a lot more pleasant without 'em...partner was scraping dog chit off his shoe a few months ago, a strong recent "olfactory" memory.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 18, 2011 - 09:03am PT
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Willoughby
too phucking funny.
Your tripod?
Just shoot one of them in the leg and say to her, "No! It must be YOUR tripod, cheese dick."
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drockschick
Trad climber
The Dirty South
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Jan 18, 2011 - 09:53am PT
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First off, Samantha, it sucks that you got bitten. That's the bottom line. Dog bites can be dangerous and even minor bites can be terrifying. No one likes it and nothing makes it okay. I'm sorry that happened to you. The fact that the dog's owner is your ex-boyfriend must add insult to injury.
My standard answer when asked by anyone if my dog bites is, "Yes. She's a dog. All dogs bite under the right circumstances." Now, that's not to say she will (little GoofballFruitBat is afraid of her own flippin' shadow, fer cryin' out loud), but she IS and will always be a dog, and it's in a dog's nature to bite, ergo...
KUDOS to you, Samantha. I don't know that I could be this big a person after being bitten.
That said, when you post on a public forum, especially when you post about something controversial, it's is very important that you do it in an accurate and responsible manner because the people and dogs you post about are going to now have to deal with the flack from the inaccuracies as well as from the actual events.
Yes, you were bitten, but the other dog in the 'pack' DID NOT come after you. In fact, the reason that the owner did not see you get bitten is that he was belaying and was at the time telling the second dog to get off the rope. I know this, because I was his climber, and I yelled at the dog who bit you. That is also how I know for a fact that the dog is current on vaccinations- I took her and the other TWO dogs to get them two weeks ago.
And that leads me to another inaccuracy in your tale: after the dog bit, you say we didn't restrain her. No, he didn't immediately tie her up. He couldn't. He was belaying me on my very first trad lead. But he did command her to sit and stay which she immediately did, and we tied her up as soon as I got on the ground.
And when you say that he mentioned that she had only ever bitten men you make it sound as though he was being flippant or clueless, which was not the case. He was embarrassed because, being a chivalrous man, it upset him that the dog had bitten a woman.
He was never flippant or 'clueless' in his behavior toward you, and never defensive. He was concerned and apologetic, even the second time you came back for a superfluous diatribe about it.
And according to what you said at the time, the injury was very minor and the issue was the dog's behavior, so you gave him no reason to believe you felt you were due anything more than an apology and an offer to compensate if anything developed.
The dog will be muzzled in the future. It is the right thing to do. We love dogs and want them to be safe and welcome at the crag, and we try to be ethical climbers and dog owners. Again, I hate that it happened to you and do not in any way think it was okay. I am not making an effort to defend a dog bite. You have a right to air your grievance, and your grievance is justified. But same as dog owners, if want to keep your rights you have to maintain your responsibilities- when you post, post accurately. Don't embellish the story.
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:02am PT
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...was belaying me on my very first trad lead.
Your whole sequence sounds messed up. Maybe you should have tied roves up before your lead...given the fact that you know roves "bites", someone (belayer?) probably should have been @ the ready to get Dog Brown Wings.
I, personally, would try to minimize the distractions on my first trad lead...mebbe a good day to leave fidos behind
it upset him that the dog had bitten a woman.
---yet okay when dog bite man..?
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426
climber
Buzzard Point, TN
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Jan 18, 2011 - 10:08am PT
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Not if you are "chivalrous"(??)
Poster kind of contradicts with...
"No one likes it and nothing makes it okay."
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