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blackbird
Trad climber
the flat water trails...
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 17, 2011 - 12:08pm PT
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OK, so I'm minding my own bisuness, walking around the corner after having gone to pee and this dog f'n comes at me and tries to grab my arm. I push back into it's mouth, effectively getting the dog off of me and out of my way, and the dayumned thing starts growling and chomping at me (riling up another dog owned by the same person) then jumps and gets me in the side. I knee the dog off, but the thing freakin' broke skin!! WTF?!?!
Several people saw the incident, the owner actually did ask me if I was ok and offered compensation if anything developed, but did not leash the dog afterwards. Again, WTF?!?!?!?
The GOOD news is that I"m not nearly as muscled up and in shape as I used to be, so all the dog got was a mouth full of love-handle-side-fat and a knee in the chest.
I'm all about having my dog at the crag but DAYUMN. Just DAUYMN.
And for the record, Abby was NOT there yesterday. She's a 20 lb, 11 year old dog who's much happier at home these days...
Come ON, people, if you know your dog has a history of aggression, PLEASE be responsible and leave your dog at home!!!! I honestly don't care if your dog's friendly 90 or 95% of the time, think about the potential repercussions of the other 5 or 10 percent, K???? And what of the kids, adults and other animals out there: what if it had been one of them rather than an outa-shape-40-year-old-used-ta-be-has-been??
THINK, folks; act responsibly, PLEASE, and implore your friends to do the same!!!!
Thanks,
bb
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:16pm PT
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yikes, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you mend quickly...
Very frustrating dealing with nuisance dogs, and potentially dangerous...glad it was nothing worse.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:22pm PT
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Dogs at the crags are wrongy. Should have punched the dog hard in the face, then waited for the owner. Ive had too many run-ins like this, to the point that I couldnt get to my gear at the base until the owner showed back up. Snarling little sh#t wouldnt let me anywhere near my pack and the owner wouldnt hear any of it. I called him out on a discussion, away from his dog, but he declined.
Leave fido at home or station him away from the base. Nobody loves your loud, obnoxious, overprotective, pissing and shitting dog but you.
Owners are usually the last to accept that their stupid dog has any aggression in them, since it happens when they arent around. If the owners will not handle it, I will, with or without necessary physical defensive means.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:23pm PT
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That is super f*#ked up.
Most people know their dogs, and know if they're 'biters'. The owner is the as#@&%e here. Sorry about that BB.
Super f*#ked up...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:30pm PT
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Typical of everything, nut just dogs. Some as#@&%e causes a problem. Then the knee jerkers want it banned outright.
The problem is dogs left unattended, not dogs at the crags.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:31pm PT
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Hey BB,
This dog should be reported. If it continually happens the owner should be held accountable.
Reporting it might seem like a dik move, but it seems like the responsible thing to do.
Prod.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
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I've found that problem dogs usually have problem owners.
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:44pm PT
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SUE!!
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:48pm PT
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Leave fido at home or station him away from the base. Nobody loves your loud, obnoxious, overprotective, pissing and shitting dog but you.
As is always the case, this applies to a number of CLIMBERS I see at the crags these days as well. All boils down to the same thing: idiot people.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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I love dogs. I love their companionship.
I am generally psyched to see dogs at the crag.
BUT
Some dogs flat-out do Not belong at the crag, or at the very least need to be tied up (two seperate categories). Their owners know who they are, even if they are in denial.
Somehow those dog owners need to be held accountable.
Hope your punctures heal well and quickly, BB!
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Josh Higgins
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jan 17, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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I've been bit by one dog, and that was at Tahquitz. It was unleashed, and the owners were climbing/belaying. I'm hoping that the vet bills, after I smashed it in the head with my helmet, makes the owners think twice about bringing that thing to the crag again. In retrospect, I should have chewed out the owners for a while, but I was rather distracted because the dog wanted to keep attacking and my calf hurt like hell...
Don't bring problem dogs to the crag, please.
Josh
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
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I think part of the problem is that some climbers feel guilty going climbing all day and leaving their dog cooped up at home. So they bring their dog to the crag out of their own guilt feelings and not because the dog actually wants to be there at the crag.
Bruce
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:28pm PT
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Just went on a trail run with my dogs- going cragging later without them. Neither have ever been rock climbing and they never will.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:31pm PT
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strict liability - not compensation if 'anything develops' in California. Just sayin, check your local attorney. That oughta fix things for next time if it costs them a few thousand.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:48pm PT
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If somebody's dog bites me or a partner it gets shot.
Thats it. Thats all. Too bad.
Mind you, I like dogs and would rather shoot the owner, but that seems to be more problematic than effective.
Just a word to the wise if you plan on bringing an unleashed animal to the crags.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 17, 2011 - 01:59pm PT
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Those who know me know I love dogs. BITD the ex came home from school on her
bike all shook up. "A dog attacked me two blocks away. He runs behind the
wall paralleling the street and then darts out of the driveway." Roger that.
I got my 18" sawed-off broom handle that fitted my pump holder and went around
so I would be coming from the same direction. Sure enough he came chargeing
out of the driveway. When he opened his mouth 8" from my ankle I laid the
wood to top of his muzzle just below the eyes; a total fur-flinging train wreck
from which he did not arise for a good five or six seconds.
Next day I repeated to see how my behavior mod had worked. Out he came with
teeth flashing in the noonday sun except when he got about 3' from me he
locked 'em up and left skin on the asphalt.
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:15pm PT
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I'm definitely a dog person, I've got two of my own.
I don't bring them to the crag.
However, I've been roadtripping and stopped to camp and climb in remote spots. This was when I had one dog, he'd dig a little hole to lay in and wait patiently for us to get back to the ground. I'd fill in his depression in the dirt and that was that.
Nobody else was within ten miles of us.
I think that's acceptable.
Crags, not so much.
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DanaB
climber
Philadelphia
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:20pm PT
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We get lots of calls at the poison control center from dog owners. The pet has eaten a prescription medication, ingested rat poison, etc. Most have called their vets who for reasons unknown tell them to call us; not very sensible as we have no vet. training, information, experience, etc. and the vets do know that. The dog owners are, on average, rather impatient, borderline rude, ungrateful, and more than a little unreasonable, and this is pretty much the experience of everyone else at work. What is it with people and their dogs?
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Ricardo Cabeza
climber
All Over.
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Jan 17, 2011 - 02:25pm PT
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What is it with people and their dogs?
A-holes are A-holes.
You have the unfortunate job of dealing with them.
The non A-hole dog owners are the ones you don't get calls from.
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TrundleBum
Trad climber
Las Vegas
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Jan 17, 2011 - 04:13pm PT
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Yep I agree with Mike Bolte and surprisingly Ron as well.
I have held the opinion for years...
"it's not usually the dogs, it's the people"
Piton Ron put it concisely.
I was bum rushed by a dog at a remote canyon crag as I returned to the base to fetch stashed gear. The (unleashed) dog gave no warning just bum rushed me and remained at non engagement distance but maintained a very aggressive posturing.
The (female) master yelled down from atop the first pitch something like:
"Oh don't mind him. He gets a little territorial but he's a good dog and means no harm"
B.S !
I yelled back:
"I have no problem with your dog. But I'll have a problem with you if you don't like the idea of coming back to the base of the climb and finding your sweet, un leashed, aggressive, little baby on a spit. I'm not all that well fed lately"
When in doubt/ stay out !
If you have anything less(or more) than a Golden retriever on a handful of valiums..
Be ok with and responsible for your dog's actions/(aggressions)
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Who needs a gun Ron ?
They only have one 'attack' weapon/appendage.
I might get a fore arm mauled
But I might get a meal out of it as well.
What do you call a Phillipino with four black dogs?
"Rancher'
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