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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Jun 23, 2010 - 06:20pm PT
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So who is the real loser in this deal?
If you accept that the nomination of Patreaus to replace McChrystal means that Obama is in a sense doubling down on his Afghan policy, then the losers are the very advisors who McChrystal and his officers belittled.
Biden cannot be a happy guy about this.
The really big decision will be who takes over at CentCom to manage our entire Africa/Middle East operations now that Patreaus has been moved down the chain to Afghan...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 23, 2010 - 06:38pm PT
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The really big decision will be who takes over at CentCom to manage our entire Africa/Middle East operations now that Patreaus has been moved down the chain to Afghan...
I was wondering that too. Isn't this a demotion for Petraeus?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 23, 2010 - 06:53pm PT
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Kris nailed it.
BTW what McChrystal did by allowing someone with a known track record for hatchet jobs that kind of access was pure hubiris. Yon's earier assesment of him seems to be correct. He was in over his depth.
He did deserve to get fired.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 23, 2010 - 06:54pm PT
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Afghanistan did not attack the US. Afghanistan did not draw first blood.
Correct, Al Queda attacked us. Al Queda drew first blood on 9/11 and before. We should have focused on them almost exclusively from the beginning. When the Taliban refused to surrender them we should have gone in surgically and gone after Al Queda. If the Afghans wanted new rulers they should be the ones to revolt and throw the Taliban out. We should have only attacked the Taliban if they messed with us during our war against Al Queda.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
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Actually your own US govt deliberately allowed Al Queda to attack before and during 911.
Get your facts straight.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:08pm PT
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Get your facts straight.
Which facts are we lacking, oh wise one?
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:12pm PT
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It has been public knowledge for years in Washington DC that the CIA working with agents at FBI HQ intentionally, deliberately and knowing allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11 which resulted in the murder of almost 3000 people.
It is unfortunately only the Americans public that has not been made aware of this information.
It not like the CIA and FBI HQ actually wanted thousands of Americans to die in these attacks.
But people at the CIA and FBI HQ knew that if FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi was not shut down, and Bongardt ultimately got the photo of Walid Bin Attash taken at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting, Bongardt would have realized that his team investigating the Cole bombing had been criminally obstructed by the CIA and FBI HQ agents and many people at both the CIA and FBI HQ would have gone to prison for many years.
The people at these agencies were just trying to stay out of prison, and it was unfortunate that thousands of Americans had to die to make sure they would not go jail. The CIA tried desperately to keep the fact secret that Walid Bin Attash had been identified in a photo taken at Kuala Lumpur, on January 4, 2001 by the joint FBI/CIA source, and then these agencies carried out many actions to criminally obstruct the FBI criminal investigation of the Cole bombing to hide this information in order to hide the CIA’s culpability in the al Qaeda attack on the USS Cole.
It is now clear that the FBI found this out quickly in the Pentbom investigation and then let this investigation die when they found out that very top officials of the US government and even their own FBI HQ had actually allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.
by rschop
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
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I'd like to revoke my 'oh wise one' title for you, Werner....
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:27pm PT
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All the information comes right from official US government web sites and sources.
So read it skip or shut up ....
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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Fattie, the Taliban supported Al Queda, but really they were an accomplice. Guilty for sure, but should we have put all the time, lives, and money into regime change, or should have we just directed all those resources against Al Queda, who are now out of Afghanistan almost completely while we fight an expensive war there still?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:36pm PT
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All the information comes right from official US government web sites and sources.
Which gov't sites/sources. I thought the gov't did it? Are they implicating themselves?
Wait, lemme guess, it was some obscure, brave whistleblower.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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More drift.
Generals that talk smack get fired. End of story.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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Hey skip
A Big F*#k You to you.
Now your stupid theory just sunk to bottom of the ocean .....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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Wow I was going to post about something else but then I saw Commander of Whine Skipt telling off Werner. Seriously dude. What are you thinking?
Skipt snorted Now if only we can get you to stop reading the conspiracy websites and believing everything you read on the net
Oh sweet, sweet irony. Shouldn't you be off editing your posts from the last page for posterity?
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noshoesnoshirt
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Arkansas, I suppose
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Jun 23, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
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fattrad wrote:
"survival,
Bush eventually came up with the best Israel/Palestine strategy...... just stay out of it.
The evil one "
That's a great solution. Perhaps if it is to really work we should stop giving Isreal 6 billion every year, and the Palestinians whatever scraps we throw them.
Seem like that would be staying out of it fatty?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 23, 2010 - 08:00pm PT
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We should give Israel 2 years to implement two states and if they don't cut them off.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Jun 23, 2010 - 08:01pm PT
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Nevermind. Good Day.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 23, 2010 - 08:02pm PT
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After the bogus Afghan elections we should have started pulling out, not doubling down.
Edit: or at least demanded new fair elections.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Jun 23, 2010 - 08:03pm PT
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I said Good Day!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 23, 2010 - 08:14pm PT
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Maybe it'll be forgotten that McChrystal was the architect of the highly successful Marjah op that routed embedded Taliban from a hotspot. He was prepping Khandahar for the same.
All the fools thought Marjah would be a bloodbath for the US, but under his brilliant planning, we surprised them with surprise Special Ops and seemingly weird direct insertions that caught the Bad Boyz off guard.
We lost a genius in COIN and general warfare.
There was no military insubordination by McChrystal in the article. A good man went down. We lose. And the troops will probably lose too.
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