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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2010 - 08:57pm PT
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I'm an Obama supporter, for sure. But in this latest dustup, I think many of McChrystal's points ARE valid. It would be a shame to lose him over this.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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I agree.
Next question. Who'd be a better prez, Stanley or Stanley's son?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:13pm PT
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There are plenty of perfectly valid criticisms of Obama. The General seems to be running a fairly unprofessional kitchen, however. His opinion is not moot, it's important. He needs to conduct himself with a lot more candor if he wants it to continue to be important.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2010 - 09:14pm PT
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Loose lips sink ships.
But hopefully he won't lose his job. Apparently it was less about policy, policy differences, and more about leadership, professionalism, conduct in the presence of media.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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He was wrong in telling the press. There are other channels he could have used.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
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Generals almost always have a good point.
He's still a general, and he f'd up.
He had a Patton moment, and so did his staff.
The Runaway General, in it's complete form.
http://www.rollingstone.com/
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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Don't sugar coat it Radical!
Tell us what you really think.
Speaking of pie holes fatty...
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max factor
Trad climber
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:25pm PT
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f*#k him...fire him
Exactly what needs to happen to Obama in the next election.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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Yeah, and replace McChrystal with whom? Esp with all the important milestones coming up, what a mess.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jun 22, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
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Obama should be fired too, listen to John Voigt.
Too bad we didn't manage to fire your boy George, this mess wouldn't be so big.
George, or any US prez, can't just jump into the Israel can do whatever it wants boat, and you know that.
http://www.njdc.org/media/entry/bush_flip_flops_on_israel
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snaps10
Mountain climber
Visalia, CA
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Jun 22, 2010 - 10:03pm PT
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I hope Obama wouldn't fire him for "loose lips". Mr. President has less tact than any president I could remember. He's successfully taught my son to drink, smoke, and swear. Thanks for being a role model. Not to say I don't drink occasionally, every once in a while smoke my pipe, and let a loose word out when I smash my finger, but I'm not the leader of the free world. I sure as heck am not doing it on CNN. This is completely disregarding the verbal faux pas that Mr. Biden has dropped in the past year or so.
It's all a bummer really...big bummer. Not defending anyone's actions, just saying...
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Jun 22, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
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non starter...
Personally... I wish more republican leaders would follow mccrystals lead....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 22, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
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Mcchrystal is a sack of sh#t...
You're really a fool, Reilly. Think about what he's done, and then what he actually said to the reporter.
You disappoint, Reilly.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 22, 2010 - 10:44pm PT
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Reilly is partly or mostly referring to the cover-up of the friendly fire incident with the football star.
And policy is one thing, but being present while subordinates refer to the vice-president as "Bite me" without remark is pretty lame.
I mean, if you are vice-president of microsoft and you're talking to Rolling Stone and call Bill Gates something like that, you're not for long. How much more so when in the service that has a chain of command where people follow orders and die. Doubt McChrystal would take that from his own captions referring to him for one minute.
How much has this guy done? We're still losing in Afghanistan and with more deaths too than ever...even after getting those troops he asked for.
It's a losing battle, just like the soviets. You can't rule stone age people who are tough as nails with computers or smart bombs. The Soviets used way more resources and were more brutal and still got whacked.
We're just paying for our pride and folly over there
Peace
Karl
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apogee
climber
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Jun 22, 2010 - 10:53pm PT
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Fire him. Anything less will only make Obama look weak(er), and lawdy knows that's the last thing a Dem needs.
McChrystal is an assh*le on this one- after close, careful consideration on how to proceed in Afghanistan, McChrystal got most everything he wanted. Comments like this either demonstrate that he is a two-faced bastard, &/or he has exceptionally poor judgment- Afghanistan needs someone with better judgment than that.
Of course, I'm sure there's a tell-all book & movie deal waiting for him in the wings...
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Jun 22, 2010 - 11:19pm PT
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McChrystal voted for Obama if you read the article....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 22, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
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Fatty said Bush eventually came up with the best Israel/Palestine strategy...... just stay out of it.
You mean "stay out of it but still give billions of dollars and the implicit military protection of the world's biggest military." It's a very hands off approach that involves committing all the resources but just leaving all the decision making up to the Israelis.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jun 22, 2010 - 11:52pm PT
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The military network that broadcasts all over the world has been running adds for five years now reminding everyone that it is a court martial offense against the Uniform Code of Military Justice for any officer to criticize the President, the Congress, members of the Supreme Court or any other high ranking civilian official.
These ads were put into place because of criticisms of George Bush and his policies. They should apply to Obama's as well, and to generals the same as lieutenants.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 23, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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High Dessert....tell it like it is....keep pumping american tax dollars to the israelis so they can continue picking on the palestenians...there goes your acting career in hollywood.....rj
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