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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
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As Roger says, it's the best writers whom post the least. The old timers stuff is the best content on here. This is literary tragedy that their efforts are diluted with so much garbage.
If Chris did nothing else but simply add an OT tab tommorrow that would be solution enough. The OT folks have enough sense to go there. Moderation is totally uneccessary
Then if Chris would create a tab under "my settings" where everyone can view the titles of the threads they themselves have started and select "Migrate to OT" would be ideal. The system itself could flag and migrate. People are responsible enough to recognize where their content should be. This offloads any burden from Chris & Co. to sift thru content
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Fluoride
Trad climber
Hollywood, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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Kev, I'll heed your suggestion for the time being. But this threat is now a prime example of what I don't want to see on this site. I want to see climbing threads, not people arguing constantly.
I'll be at work in an hour. I'll check back. If this thread has gone anywhere positive I'll leave it be. If not, it's gone. We have the right to nuke threads here. I don't want this thread to be a distraction from good climbing threads. That was never my intention.
Seriously, let's hug it out guys and let this issue be done. I think at this point everyone has said their peace and this issue is over.
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful British Columbia
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
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dont delete this thread I have just offered up a fine solution for godsake
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:34pm PT
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I like John Moosie's suggestion. Those of us who like both climbing and OT can start at the main index. Those who don't can filter out what they don't want.
Hope it works.
Also, Thanks, Flouride, for not nuking this thread. It goes to the heart and soul of this site.
John
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:38pm PT
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I'm no Brain Surgeon, but I have absolutely no trouble telling a climbing related thread from an off-topic thread, and simply sorting between the two.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:40pm PT
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Tom Higgins, Pat Ament, John Bachar R.I.P., John Long, Joe Fitschen, Joe McKeown, Ken Boche, Don Lauria, Jim Donini, Peter Haan, Roger Breedlove, Paul Gagner, Bob D'Antonio, John Middendorf, Larry Hamilton, Scott Cosgrove, Mark Hudon, Dick Erb, Todd Gordon, Kurt Smith, Mark Chapman, Steve Schneider, Kevin Worral, Doug Robinson, Russ Walling
Hell, we even had a guy named Sean Jones stop by....
My list of the greats here is growing......
Don't leave fluoride, no matter the outcome.
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crazy horse
Trad climber
seattle, wa
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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This topic has hit the nail on the head for why I almost never check supertopo anymore. It's almost a total waste of time now. And I respectfully disagree with DMT. Yeah you might have built this city on a mosh pit, but it's a city that unfortunatly many legit climbers refuse to live in.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Feb 11, 2010 - 04:47pm PT
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Fluoride - thanks again for keeping the discussion alive. If nothing else, it serves to remind people to be more conscientious about what they post.
I have to agree that clicking though 3 pages is knott such a big deal - and that's the worst-case scenario. Usually the day's posts are on the first 2 pages.
Edit: For the record, if you do nuke this thread, I won't be re-posting so as to respect your wishes.
Either way, I'm going to see about having this "feature" removed. If nothing else, it will make people THINK
before posting, and will likely reduce the amount of non-climbing posts, which I'm sure you'd appreciate. ;-)
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apogee
climber
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Feb 11, 2010 - 05:09pm PT
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"I have to agree that clicking though 3 pages is knott such a big deal..."
No, it's not a big deal, and an OT thread here or there is not a big deal, either. But to have to click three pages back, when many of the threads in those three pages are waaaaay OT, is a reflection that this Forum is not doing what it was primarily intended to do: discuss climbing-related topics.
I would wager that there is a large # of visitors to this Forum who regularly lurk and never post- possibly more lurkers than regular posters (one would hope). Of the 'regulars', it's about evenly split as to whether these OT threads are an annoyance- those who support unrestrained OT threads and post them regularly must be in the minority, and yet their so-called freedom to do what they please supercedes everyone else.
It's about respect for others, and a reasonable, balanced use of a shared space. And we are struggling with it here on ST just like climbers struggle with access issues on the stone.
Nuke this thread. Thank you.
Edit: Quick.... before Lois gets here.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 11, 2010 - 05:20pm PT
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You could easily add an OT forum tab.
What's so hard about that? Nothing hard.
So far good changes have happened and adding an OT forum tab will help.
There's a very high percentage of stupid threads both climbing and OT so it really is no fault on either of them causing the original complainer's objection of good stuff disappearing from the front page.
Lots of times good stuff is looked at and not responded to, therefore it drops off the front page.
The theory that OT threads bump the good stuff off the front page is not supported.
Sometimes there's just a bunch of bullsh'it threads about bullsh'it on the front page due to seasonal lags in interest.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Feb 11, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
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forum fight!
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 11, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
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Moosies suggestion is very good, but again you are asking CMac to put time and money into making changes that you can accomplish with a click of the mouse.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Feb 11, 2010 - 05:29pm PT
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I agree that nuking the post really serves no purpose in that one person posts their opinion in what is essentially an open forum and therefore others have a right to post theirs However personal attacks do not have a place here IMO. The forum does go through cycles and sometimes there tends to be more non climbing related stuff higher on the front page vs climbing related and on other days the opposite is true as well. It could be said that life in general is much the same way somedays we have to deal with a bunch of crap and other days we do not.
The fact is that we choose to be here and we choose to respond to posts. I think that often is the case some people react to posts that typically really do not deserve a response and therefore those topics tend to get pushed to the the top more often. For me climbing is more about participation. Sure I like to talk about climbing or see TRs etc. as much as the next person but , I do have other interests as well. I enjoy seeing other peoples photographs climbing and non climbing hearing about peoples trips be it climbing or not, Hear what other people do besides climbing it is all part of real life.
Yes, the forum can be over run at times with a lot of BS but as Skully said nothing ever really gets solved. The ST forum is what it is and for me at least there is so much more to life.
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JOEY.F
Social climber
sebastopol
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Feb 11, 2010 - 05:42pm PT
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Flouride makes the point that she would have had to scroll back to find the Half Dome Permit thread, and right now the Merced River Input thread is 5 pages back. Could important topics like these be "Sticky" threads? Or is that too hard to manage. Don't think it would change the dynamic much.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Feb 11, 2010 - 06:09pm PT
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Gotta say, Dingus, you are on my short list of favorite posters, I'll admit it.
(Despite our disagreement over Walmart.)
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Binks
Social climber
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Feb 11, 2010 - 06:14pm PT
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Both sides could be made happy with a simple filter. Default is to leave things as they are, the other option would be to engage the OT filter. It could work like this: Register your thread as "OT". Then the site could create a filter that just filters out all OT threads for those that don't like them. I think this would make the site even better AND more democratic. The back and forth OT threads would still be on top for anyone not using the filter, otherwise only the real climbing related threads would be on top when the filter is engaged.
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Binks
Social climber
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Feb 11, 2010 - 06:26pm PT
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I'm sure we have some geeks who could whip this out in short order. Can't be that hard. Maybe some little AJAX control?
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bmacd
Trad climber
Beautiful BC
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Feb 11, 2010 - 06:29pm PT
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How to cleanup Supertopo:
create a tab under "my settings" where you can view your threads created and select the checkbox "Migrate to OT tab"
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cavemonkey
Ice climber
ak
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Feb 11, 2010 - 06:31pm PT
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i agree with beth wholeheartedly on this one, i understand og st posters don't like rules, i dont either, but lets put a new tab for "politics and religion" because important climbing stories, photos, etc are getting bumped, or unbumped fast enough, thats what i think
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
شقوق واس
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Feb 11, 2010 - 06:46pm PT
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Hankster, You should KNOW that Survival's list is by no means complete.
He was just making a (valid) point.
Cheers!
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