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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:29pm PT
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Your new "I'm the rational thinker who rises above the lowly fray" shtick is hilarious.
It ain't working??? Damn....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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Careful, LEB. You often fall for your own trolls.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:32pm PT
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So, what is the Imam involved in the Islamic Cultural Center like?
Maybe this, from Time Magazine, is worth a quick read.
The Kuwaiti-born Rauf, 52, is the imam of a mosque in New York City's Tribeca district, has written extensively on Islam and its place in modern society and often argues that American democracy is the embodiment of Islam's ideal society. (One of his books is titled What's Right with Islam Is What's Right with America.) He is a contributor to the Washington Post's On Faith blog, and the stated aim of his organization, the Cordoba Initiative, is "to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions." His Indian-born wife is an architect and a recipient of the Interfaith Center Award for Promoting Peace and Interfaith Understanding.
(Can Sufism defuse terrorism?)
Since 9/11, Western "experts" have said repeatedly that Muslim leaders who fit Rauf's description should be sought out and empowered to fight the rising tide of extremism. In truth, such figures abound in Muslim lands, even if their work goes unnoticed by armchair pundits elsewhere. Their cause is not helped when someone like Rauf finds himself being excoriated for some perceived reluctance to condemn Hamas and accused of being an extremist himself. If anything, this browbeating of a moderate Muslim empowers the narrative promoted by al-Qaeda: that the West loathes everything about Islam and will stop at nothing to destroy it.
(See Daisy Khan explain the role of women leaders in Islam.)
Rauf and Khan have said Park51 — envisaged as a 15-story structure, including a mosque, cultural center and auditorium — will promote greater interfaith dialogue. The furor over the project only underlines how desperately it is needed.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008432,00.html
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:34pm PT
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Is she Saudi, Wes??? They're the best.
EDIT:
Maybe this, from Time Magazine, is worth a quick read.
Or maybe not.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:38pm PT
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plenty of men here with very ample beards - like Karl, for example - who don't explode
Leave Karl out of this, he's a commie, he's different.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:40pm PT
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Imani Helped FBI on Counter Terrorism Under Bush
In March 2003, federal officials were being criticized for disrespecting the rights of Arab-Americans in their efforts to crack down on domestic security threats in the post-9/11 environment. Hoping to calm the growing tempers, FBI officials in New York hosted a forum on ways to deal with Muslim and Arab-Americans without exacerbating social tensions. The bureau wanted to provide agents with "a clear picture," said Kevin Donovan, director of the FBI's New York office.
Brought in to speak that morning -- at the office building located just blocks from Ground Zero -- was one of the city's most respected Muslim voices: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. The imam offered what was for him a familiar sermon to those in attendance. "Islamic extremism for the majority of Muslims is an oxymoron," he said. "It is a fundamental contradiction in terms."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/ground-zero-imam-helped-f_n_685071.html
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:41pm PT
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Sure, sure - nice attempt to recover.
Recover from what? LEB logic-gaplash? Do you even know what your point is?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
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Lois, maybe if you made simpler posts with direct questions??? I can't even read your entire posts most of the time.
e.g.
HDDJ, why do you think I'm Islamophobic for supporting the vast majority of New Yorkers' and Americans' thoughts on this issue? America hates muslims?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:50pm PT
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In a national Time magazine poll released last week, just under half of all Americans agreed that Islam is more likely than other faiths to promote violence against nonbelievers. But that number rose to 70 percent among Republicans and nearly three-fourths among conservatives. Fully 55 percent of all Americans said they believed that most U.S. Muslims are patriotic; but only 42 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of conservatives agreed. Perhaps most strikingly, 43 percent of conservatives and a 48 percent plurality of Republicans said Muslims should not be allowed to run for president. Only about one-fourth of Democrats and independents agreed.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:56pm PT
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It was a rhetorical question, Norton, as a example...
relax.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
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Was it really FOX that did the idiotic poll?
The whole MUSLIM CULTURAL CENTER issue has been corrupted by fuking idiots who twist language and the sheep who lap the sh#t up without thinking.
Do you support a MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO?
You have to be a fuking idiot to even think that is a valid question. Fuk Faux News and fuk all their right-wing chicken sh#t christian conservative sheep.
How much you wanna bet it would poll differently as: "do you support a Sufi Imam (who advised the FBI and other agencies on how to deal with radical terrorist groups) building a cultural center in the same neighborhood where he has been established for decades, despite being a few blocks from where the WTC once stood?"
Same bullshit by the same people who brought us "Pro-Life" and "Protect Families."
What is obvious to me is your contempt and disregard for common Americans. You should run for Congress on the Dem ticket. You assume Americans are stupid racist idiots, and you are somehow above that label because you are so f*#king special and sensitive and multi-cultural.
Whatever, dude...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:04pm PT
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See my edit, wise one....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
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bluering queried-
HDDJ, why do you think I'm Islamophobic for supporting the vast majority of New Yorkers' and Americans' thoughts on this issue? America hates muslims?
That's a cute spin but we both know that's not true. You didn't hear about this and then pause, thinking "I will reserve judgement on this issue until I get a sense of what the vast majority of New Yorkers think before I take a stance against personal property rights. Hrm, yes now that I've calmly gathered the needed data that I seek I can see that it is a wise choice for me to be sensitive to the feelings of the broad majority that is alarmed and upset about this."
Additionally, it is one thing to think that this may look insensitive to the locale and events of Ground Zero and a totally different thing to say that this has "nefarious intent" and to try to cast aspersions on the people who are trying to build it. You're going to need to hold your tongue a lot more than you do if you want to pull off the "I'm just respecting the wishes of the majority of New Yorkers" front.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
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HDDJ, sometimes you CAN have it both ways, ya know.
EDIT:
I know the difference between Mosques and cultural centers.
I know the difference between "Ground Zero" and several blocks away.
I know the difference between radical terrorists and contributing members of society.
I know way more than you.
You fail.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:48pm PT
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Blurring posted
HDDJ, why do you think I'm Islamophobic for supporting the vast majority of New Yorkers' and Americans' thoughts on this issue? America hates muslims?
You speak for the VAST MAJORITY of New Yorkers and Americans????
What a laugh! You haven't a clue what the vast majority of anyone anywhere thinks.
Arrogant self pontificating myopic misogynistic fool. Wait that describes Glen Beck.
Fine company Blew.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:50pm PT
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myopic misogynistic
Perfect description of a fundamentalist Muslim.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:51pm PT
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You speak for the VAST MAJORITY of New Yorkers and Americans????
I speak with them. Just because Beck supports something doesn't mean I like him, or endorse him. We simply agree on something.
Is that too hard to understand?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 29, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
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Jon Stewart brilliantly points out that the guy that Fox has been portraying as an evil 9/11 sympathizing billionaire who is funding the Terror Mosque is actually the second largest shareholder of News Corp (Fox). Basically, if their "reporting" is correct then Fox is funded by the same evil Saudis that the Terror Mosque is.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap
bluering said
I speak with them.
More like you are happy to conveniently use a poll that supports what you want to say. You didn't "speak with them" when they protested invading Iraq. You, sir, are no New Yorker. You can't actually have it both ways. Your opinion coincides with the poll about New Yorkers. That's a lot different than "supporting" or "speaking with" New Yorkers.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Aug 29, 2010 - 05:12pm PT
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^^^^^^pathetic^^^^^^^
so now your
a victim?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 29, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
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It's a Victory Mosque in keeping with hundreds of years of tradition.
They have every constitutional and legal right to build one in keeping with our tradition.
It will never be finished, if ever even started.
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