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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:44pm PT
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It would be informative if any Muslim taco-ites would comment on how they'd
feel about a Christian Church being built 2 blocks from the Kaaba (cube) in Mecca?
No problem right?
Well, I guess we could act just like they do.
Or maybe we could show them a better way..
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:46pm PT
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This is what I don't get. What exactly is the problem with allowing people to choose to worship in their own way?
Are you afraid that a critical mass of Americans are going to convert to Islam and change our laws in a way that limits the freedoms of other Americans? Or that they will convert enough Americans to forcibly overthrow our government? Or that they will convert Americans into jihadists?
Are you afraid of letting US women be at choice about joining a religion that abides by this dreaded Sharia law
You people need to understand the brand of Islam being promoted worldwide, with money.
Look at Holland, France, Denmark, and Switzerland. They are fed up. We are next. People with eyes wide open see this. And, no, we don't hate Muslims. We hate the Christianic proselytizing of it.
Get it? I'm outta here, it's Maragarita-time!!!!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:57pm PT
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Let me summarize the thread so far:
The Anti-Mosque faction belives that the mosque should not be built, but that it is their right to build it if they want, but if they do they are being insensitive as#@&%es.
The Pro-Mosque faction believes that the mosque should be built. They believe that the Anti-Mosque faction has the right to protest the mosque, but that if they do they are being bigoted as#@&%es.
Everyone agrees that Bluering is an insensitive bigoted as#@&%e, but that it is his right to be an insensitive bigoted as#@&%e.
Everyone agrees that it is everyone else's right to be an as#@&%e or to believe that someone else is being an as#@&%e.
What else is there left to talk about?
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gunsmoke
Trad climber
Clackamas, Oregon
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:05pm PT
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abandoning the rules of fairness and equality That's another aspect to this topic that I don't get. Right now there are probably dozens of communities that are in the process of blocking the next Walmart for the sole reason that they don't want it there. We Tacoians seem to cheer on such efforts. But when citizens don't want a "cultural center" to be built in a certain location, now it's matter of fairness, equality, and the Constitution.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
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I have to comment that right or wrong on a given issue, the conservative men on this forum seem somewhat less likely to use abusive language directed at one who holds a differing opinion.
LOL,,
Blue has called me an idiot, a fool, an ass.. ect.
Cragman has also called me an idiot and fool.
So has Skipt.
TGT, Corniss Chopper.. and others..
It isn't a right or left thing. But be careful.. you know those lefties. They carry disease. You just might get infected. Same with those Muslims. They carry all sorts of disease.
Lois, name calling is disrespectful. That is why I am trying to stop. But then so is that high and mighty tone you have. You know the one. The one you get when you just know that you are right. And yep.. I have had it too.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:38pm PT
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brokenclock said No, just the spread and footholds of Islam. And not a nice version of Islam. The conquering type in the guise of peace. Did I tell you we're getting a 70 ft minaret in my home-town?
Ok so minarets = death and destruction? LEB is right. You're obviously not a bigot but just a caring American who is rationally concerned about the impending plight of evil Muslims spreading their dirty faith. Isn't everyone?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
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Hey Moosie, Better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Thanks for proving me right.
Thanks for proving my point Cragman. Just because you don't have the balls to call me names directly, doesn't mean I don't understand what you just said. You just called me a fool. See????
And it is not the first time. So you can get off your high horse now.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:49pm PT
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I'm swimming in your tears, LEB. Backstrokes n sh#t.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
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Jeff, there are Christian leaders who say the same kinds of things. Should we believe that all Christians believe those kinds of things? Of course not.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 27, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
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Holy sh#t LEB the only person talking about you is YOU (a surprise to nobody except perhaps, again, you).
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
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Just so you know Lois, HDDJ was talking about Blues comment, not yours.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:16pm PT
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"They are required by the Quran to establish this global Islamic state on the rubble of every civilization, every constitution, every government."
Pretty much what Christianity use to say. The answer isn't to try and wipe them out, or deny them their rights in this country. Reread Crimpies post about what most Muslim's believe.
Catholics aren't suppose to use birth control. You better believe that most American catholics do, plus many 2nd and third world catholics also. More and more.
Read the old testament. According to it, you can own slaves. And according to millions of Americans and maybe billions around the world, that is GOD'S WORD. OH MY!!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:31pm PT
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Where exactly does the Quran command followers of Islam to
"establish this global Islamic state on the rubble of every civilization, every constitution, every government."
What chapter and verse of the Quran is this specific language?
Seriously, I would like to know so I can read that part myself.
Having read the Quran, admittedly 15 years ago, I cannot recall that language
Help me out on this?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
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bluering: You Canucks got your hands full too! I think you've prolly read the news there lately. (hint: Ottawa) Posted yesterday, in the "Clash of FattRadizations" thread.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=971832&msg=1251811#msg1251811
It remains to be seen what exactly the three men arrested in Ottawa yesterday were actually doing, and whether it was any real threat. The RCMP and CSIS claim they were, but it's August, a slow news month, plus the RCMP would very much like to polish its rather tarnished credibility. Given that most of the other so-called terrorists they've arrested have turned out to be mouthy incompetent kids, it will be interesting to see what the true story is. I wouldn't leap to conclusions just because they've been arrested and the police say their bit.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
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I'm with Moosie. It's totally mind blowing that Christianity has had a mission to convert or destroy everyone it encounters for 2,000 years and we are more or less fine with that but when Islam has the same shtick (because it's based on the same stuff more or less) America freaks out about it.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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Wooooo!
Anybody care to look at the body count numbers between christians and muslims since the war on terror started?? I did.
It's pretty lopsided.
What do you think of that Jeff?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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Fatty- The only search for that language I can find is not on any site that contains passages from the Koran, but on sites that are talking about the same dude you are talking about. Sounds like propaganda based on one guys personal interpretation of the Koran to me.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:44pm PT
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Of course, if jihad is a thread in Islam, they learned it well from the other peoples of the book who preceded them - the Jews and Christians. Who were very much present in Arabia in the seventh century. Both of which religions contributed a great deal to the Islamic weltanschauung.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 27, 2010 - 10:58pm PT
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NOT what somebody says somebody says somebody says is in the Quran.
Chapter, section, verse please.
Save me from having to read the entire thing over again.
Last time it took me two weeks.
Surely those so opposed to Islam would FIRST have carefully read their guiding
religious text. How else would they know what they are opposed to?
It MUST be on the tip your tongue where to look, just like I know right
away where to look in the bible, even though I am an atheist.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Aug 27, 2010 - 11:09pm PT
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Holy crap dude that meme was dead in 2008 when are you going to drop it.
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