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Larry Nelson
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Jody posted
Who needs a degree?
Are you saying it's not easy to imagine the intellectual with a gender studies degree crawling under your house to repair a drain problem, add a new electrical circuit, or run a crane on a high rise construction project?
Heehee
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dirtbag
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YEAH who needs education and learnin’?
Buncha elitist propellorheads talking science mumbo jumbo.
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Larry Nelson
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dirtbag posted
YEAH who needs education and learnin’?
That wasn't my point, but you knew that.
How do so many top students end up in college remedial classes?
https://www.greatschools.org/gk/articles/high-achiever-remedial-college/
Meanwhile, higher education costs have gone up faster than healthcare.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/07/20/health-care-and-higher-education-face-similar-challenges-and-transformations
Virtually all college degrees are worth something, as it at least demonstrates achieving a goal.
Way too many non STEM college degrees are a ripoff to the student, considering the cost.
In fact with the cost so high now, how many years to recoup that investment, compared to the electrician, plumber, etc?
How many with non STEM degrees work in restaurants serving "dumb cops"?
EDIT for graph:
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I recently read that A (or the equivalent) is the most common grade given in virtually all colleges.
My brother's high school kids are looking for colleges to attend, but costs are huge. Is it true that the California State college and university systems now take fewer in state students than they used to?
Out of state tuition reaps more moolah for the schools, and foreign students (whose parents are often very wealthy) even more?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The Atlantic: Boycott the Republican Party
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/5/1738977/-The-Atlantic-Boycott-the-Republican-Party
Jonathan Rauch and Benjamin Wittes, in today’s issue of The Atlantic, call for a total boycott of the Republican Party. These are not bleeding-heart Liberals, or even NeverTrump Conservatives. Both Rauch and Wittes are respected for their non-partisan positions, and are fellows of the Brookings Institution.
This, then, is the article we thought we would never write: a frank statement that a certain form of partisanship is now a moral necessity. The Republican Party, as an institution, has become a danger to the rule of law and the integrity of our democracy.
Their article makes a desperate but reasoned appeal for everyone to abandon nuance and go all-out against every Republican candidate.
We’re suggesting that in today’s situation, people should vote a straight Democratic ticket even if they are not partisan, and despite their policy views. They should vote against Republicans in a spirit that is, if you will, prepartisan and prepolitical. Their attitude should be: The rule of law is a threshold value in American politics, and a party that endangers this value disqualifies itself, period. In other words, under certain peculiar and deeply regrettable circumstances, sophisticated, independent-minded voters need to act as if they were dumb-ass partisans.
The discussion that makes up the meat of the article is worth reading. To summarize:
•This is not about the Republican party’s extremism or even about policies.
•This is not about Trump being awful (though he is), but about the Republican party being unwilling to check his abuses of power
•Anti-Trump forces in Republican party have been shut out, and Trump owns the base now
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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PIZAMAN
Excellent point. If colleges had to float the loans, they'd take the hit on defaults.
Is this another example of a policy with good intentions spawning perverse incentives? (ie: degrees ending in the word 'studies")
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Dayumm Locker, that was funny.
Marilyn Monroe shoulda walked those steps
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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One of the biggest issues with college costs (which help drive demand for loans) is loss of state funding, especially after the last GOP caused recession. Having an educated population used to be a priority, but some in the GOP want only the elites to have higher education, so funding public colleges and universities is a low priority. They want just a enough education to have a pool of disposable workers that can be easily manipulated. They need the serfs to feed on. If the serfs still want to get an education anyway, they can at least suck them dry with loan debt.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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*Why do Conservatives like Jody believe and repeat lies?
What is it in their psychological make up that makes them deny truth and insists lies are true?
Psychologists say conservatives are more moralistic and more likely to repress unconscious drives towards unconventional sexuality.
*Fairness and kindness place lower on the list of moral priorities for conservatives than for liberals. Conservatives show a stronger preference for higher status groups, are more accepting of inequality and injustice, and are less empathic (at least towards those outside their immediate family). As one Tea Party member told University of California sociologist Arlie Hochschild, “People think we are not good people if we don’t feel sorry for blacks and immigrants and Syrian refugees. But I am a good person and I don’t feel sorry for them.”
The New York Times cataloged no less than 117 clearly false statements proclaimed publicly by Trump in the first six months of his presidency, with no evident loss in his supporters’ faith in him.
*Conservatives are also less introspective, less attentive to their inner feelings, and less likely to override their “gut” reactions and engage in further reflection to find a correct answer. As a result, they may be more likely to rely on error-prone cognitive shortcuts, less aware of their own unconscious biases, and less likely to respond to factual corrections to previously held beliefs.
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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*Despite occasional left forays into reality denial, conservatives are far more likely to accept misinformation and outright lies.
Deliberate campaigns of misinformation and conservative preferences for information that fits in with their pre-existing ideology provide only a partial explanation.
*Faulty reasoning and judgment, rooted in the interactions between modes of reasoning and judgment shared by all with the specific personality patterns found disproportionately among conservatives may also play a central role.
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John M
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Thanks to those who are talking about issues rather then the people on the forum.
Edit: ( not talking about jokes, )
congress is working on a budget for the next 2 years that increases spending on both social issues and the military. How are we going to pay for that? I would like to see them at least balance the budget.
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Happiegrrrl2
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It is the sign of a small mind, people posting how "these people are this" or "those people are that."
Really, I would be embarrassed if that was the kind of ammo I relied on to debate topics.
As for that clip of Trump - so what if he's balding and unwilling to accept it? Just shows he is insecure. Plenty of guys hold on to those wisps of hair until someone takes them aside and convinces them it isn't working.
Maybe someone should get him a baseball cap that says "I just wear this hat to keep my bald spot covered." Now, if he did that.... just once, the next time he gets on the plane, as response to this "news clip," I would give him some credit as being actually connected in some way to the rest of humanity. I can see Obama doing something like that, were it him.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Most corrupt administration ever, more scandals in a week than Obama had in 8 years. Imagine Obama trying the crap Cadet Bone Spur is pulling.
About the parade, Trump claims it is to honor the troops? That shows how utterly disconnected he is. Troops hate doing those dog and pony shows. Give them all a 96, would be cheaper and more appreciated by the snuffys
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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All cooked up by the media with no factual basis.
ha!
from the biggest liar and repeater of " no factual basis"
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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After studying the Twitter feeds of 13,000 users across the political spectrum, the Project determined that Trump supporters are among the most prolific purveyors of "misleading, deceptive or incorrect information purporting to be real news about politics, economics or culture.
” (For the purposes of its research, the Oxford team compiled a "watch list" of approximately 100 websites with a history of publishing conspiracy theories or overt propaganda.)
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trump-supporters-are-single-biggest-purveyors-fake-news-study
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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Jody stated:
When the Democrats were in the WH, they refused to release the reserves that each department had so the shutdown would be disruptive
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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All fake news, right
• Ryan Zinke, Trump’s secretary of the interior, is under investigation for chartering a $12,000 flight from Las Vegas to Montana at taxpayers’ expense. Zinke also failed to disclose an investment in a Montana gun company, booked a $12,000 flight on an oil executive’s plane, spent almost $40,000 of a wildfire preparedness fund to pay for flights and paid $6,000 for a helicopter trip to visit Vice President Mike Pence.
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• David Shulkin, the secretary of Veterans Affairs, charged taxpayers for a trip to Europe that included stopovers at Wimbledon and Westminster Abbey, plus a river cruise for him and his wife.
• Scott Pruitt, who runs the Environmental Protection Agency, regularly dines with donors and lobbyists from industries his department is regulating. He also used public money to pay for a soundproof booth in his office and chartered private and military overseas flights.
• Steve Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, tried to use a government plane to fly him to Europe for his honeymoon. He may also have availed himself of a taxpayer-funded military plane to view the solar eclipse in August, though he says the trip had a different purpose.
The Treasury Department’s inspector general concluded in October that Mnuchin broke no laws when he spent $800,000 to travel on military planes. But the inspector general also criticized Mnuchin’s insufficient explanation for why he needed to spend so much taxpayer money. “What is of concern is a disconnect between the standard of proof called for,” the inspector general wrote, “and the actual amount of proof provided by Treasury and accepted by the White House in justifying these trip requests.”
• Tom Price, the former secretary of health and human services who resigned in September, spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on private planes. Trump hired Price despite Price’s history of using his position in Congress to receive sweetheart stock deals.
• Despite Trump’s spending only eight days in Trump Tower as president so far, the government has spent $130,000 per month since April to lease space in the building for a military office that supports the White House.
•Despite counterintelligence warnings that Chinese officials might be trying to curry favor with him to advance China’s interests, Jared Kushner has reportedly used his closeness with Trump to secure foreign investment in Kushner’s family-owned business, in exchange for granting visas.
• A Chinese government office approved trademarks for a company owned by Ivanka Trump on the same day that China’s president met with President Trump.
• Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, may have used his position to curry favor with a Russian oligarch as part of a long-running money-laundering and tax-evasion scheme, according to charges brought against him by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.
• Michael Flynn lobbied on behalf of the Turkish government, but Trump selected him as national security adviser anyway (before later ousting him).
• Kellyanne Conway, a top Trump adviser, promoted Ivanka’s fashion line on television.
• As The New Yorker, ProPublica and the public radio station WNYC reported, longtime Trump lawyer Marc Kasowitz donated or solicited more than $50,000 on behalf of a Manhattan district attorney who later dropped a case against Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr.
• Ivanka Trump, a White House adviser to her father, owns a stake in a Trump-branded luxury hotel in Washington valued at between $5 million and $25 million.
• K.T. McFarland, Trump’s former deputy national security adviser, may have violated federal law by using over $13,000 in campaign funds to boost her work as a media figure.
• Rebeckah Adcock, a top Department of Agriculture deregulation official, met with pesticide lobbyists from her former employer and discussed issues related to her previous lobbying.
• A charity led by Eric Trump paid over $145,000 to properties owned by his father during the election. Despite pledging not to raise money for the organization after his resignation in December 2016, Eric has continued to attend fundraisers held at Trump properties.
• Brenda Fitzgerald, Trump’s former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director, purchased shares in food, drug and tobacco companies after taking charge of an agency that aims to reduce smoking. She resigned in January.
• Despite warnings to follow ethics rules, Ben Carson, the Housing and Urban Development secretary, let his son help organize an agency event and invite individuals with whom he had potential business dealings.
• The administration has eliminated regulations that were lobbied against by a company owned by a member of the president’s infrastructure council. Other members of the council — several with longstanding personal connections to Trump — hold investments in industries that would benefit from increased infrastructure spending.
• And there are likely some scandals we don’t know about because, unlike other modern presidents and candidates, Trump has refused to release his tax returns.
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Capt.
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some eastside hovel
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Without a doubt I know who would win the popular vote for biggest knob on this site.
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Capt.
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some eastside hovel
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Knob.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Let's have a parade!!!! Ours will be way more yuuuge than NK or France!
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