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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Not one of those crucified were resurrected and had over five hundred witnesses to the same nor were prophesized a thousand years or more before either!
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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David,
No, thank you, I'm fine.
I hope that you are well also.
I'm not Juan.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Tom,
I enjoy sharing God's Word immensly, no argument here! Defending God's word? Absolutely! Enjoy climbing?...coming up on 30 years now!
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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If you ever are in a bind, email me.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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let's see, he saw the light in 1973 and served in the war machine of the nation under god until 1997, helping jesus take the world by force.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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RE: Intelligent Design:
Phillip Johnson, the guy that popularized the term "Intelligent Design" and founded the Discovery Institue as a means of fleshing out his "theory", has since abandoned it as a working theory (and even the phrase) stating himslef, "Intelligent design is NOT a theory that can compete with Evolution in any scientific way...". They (Phillip and his fellows at DI) have since moved onto "Teach the controversy" (one that they created, in their own minds), as part of their new "Wedge Strategy" to get God into school.
If someone wants to believe in, or promote ID, they need to research it a bit, and who Phillip Johnson is, as HE is your prophet if you are believing HIS views... Ironically enough, ones that he has since abandoned.
If you are interested, which I doubt (Ignore, ignore, deny, deny...):
Try this
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dr. F,
I did not write that quote that you referenced. My friend, David Hall, stands by that. I posted his testimony in hopes someone like yourself would email him with your response. It would be interesting to see how he replies to your logic. Go to his blog: http://www.blogger.com/profile/08120659707312574416 and let us know how you fare.
Oh, a simple "click" on my username, "illusiondweller" would have told you that my name wasn't David Hall.
You doing okay Dr. F? You in need of anything, money, help of any kind, climbing gear? Let me know, I'll do what I can.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Adam,
It is very obvious that David Hall is using the words "intelligent design" very literally and not referring to this "theory" you elaborated on. An intelligent designer, ie; God. Goodness gracious.
How about you rrrAdam...can I help in any way? Drop me an email and I'll do my best.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jesus WAS and IS the Son of God. Jesus IS GOD! If God had come down and revealed Himself to man, without taking on the form of flesh, we wouldn't be alive:
"20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. - Exodus 33:20
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Even if Jesus was standing in front of some today there would still be unbelief, as there was in His day. Some things don't change and some will end up in hell. Sad, but true. Even on one's own death bed, if they cried out to God and believed, they would be accepted into Heaven. I'm sure this is how long it will take for some. Better late than never.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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It is very obvious that David Hall is using the words "intelligent design" very literally and not referring to this "theory" you elaborated on. An intelligent designer, ie; God. Goodness gracious. It is VERY obvious to anyone not inside your small box of dogma that you CANNOT think outside of it.
As evidenced by your answer to this one simple question:
"What would CONVINCE you that you are wrong?"
Care to HONESTLY answer it? I'll bet you just (deny, deny, ignore) ignore it.
And... How are YOU using the term? If you don't believe in ID, then how specifically are you using the term?
How about you rrrAdam...can I help in any way? Drop me an email and I'll do my best. Don't need any my friend... I have an exeptionally good life... Very fulfilling and meaningful... I make a substancial difference in my community, and the ironic part is I live deep in the Bible belt, and when some find out that I'm an atheist, they can't believe it, and say that God is working through me. I've even had one say that she is convinced I am a Christian, but just don't know it. She can't think outside her box of dogma either... Good person though, just deluded.
Used to be "Born Again", but saw the light, so to speak.
Nice front you are putting by offering though... Even though we both know it's false.
How 'bout putting your money where your mouth is, truely following the words of your prophet, and really helping people who need it?
Matthew 19:21
And Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
Luke 12:33
"Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys."
Bet you won't do that either... All talk, no walk.
And Lynne...
John 14:14 "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."
That's pretty direct... No qualifiers, "[Pray] Ask for ANYTHING in my name, and I will do it", so you should do as Dr F suggests.
Here, let me try first...
"Jesus, please appear in this thread, and give us guidance.
In Jesus' name I pray"
[crickets]
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Jesus WAS and IS the Son of God. Jesus IS GOD! Interesting... To whom did he fall prostrate to and pray? To whom did he cry out when on the cross to? And what did Jesus call him? Remember, Jesus wasn;t a Christian, he was a Jew.
You know... The man-made answer, "The Trinity", didn't really come about till the 4th century. Wait... I forgot about your box, you probably don't know that, and think it always has been that way. And will not look into things that do not fit comfortable into your box.
Ignore... Ignore... Deny... Deny...
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Adam,
Just let me know what I can do and I'll do my best for you. I had every intention the first time I asked.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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Just let me know what I can do and I'll do my best for you.
Fair enough... You can answer the questions I have posed to you.
I do not think you will do your best though, in fact I think you will ignore them, which is why I said your offer is a false front.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Was Jesus God?
1. 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:15
2. 1"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." 2The same was in the beginning with God." - John 1:1-2
3. 15"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" - 1Peter 3:15
4. "56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." - John 8:56-59
5. "30I and my Father are one." - John 10:30-33
6. "44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness." - John 12:44-46
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Was Jesus God (cont.)...
7. "6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" - John 14:6-9
8. "32Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." - John 6:32-35
9. "12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go." - John 8:12-14
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Was Jesus God? (cont.)...
10. "7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep." - John 10:7-11
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Adam,
Glory to God that you're saved! This verse is for you then:
"7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." - Isaiah 55:7
You can't lose your salvation, so it looks like your stuck, Christian, wohoooooo! That's okay, you'll thank Him in the end.
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rrrADAM
climber
LBMF
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You didn't answer the questions...
It's very simple... Look for sentences that end with this ---> ? <
That will clue you in that it is a question.
Copy it, paste it into a quote, then answer it.
If that's really your "best", I can believe that, as you box of dogma is very limited.
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