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climbera5
Trad climber
Sacramento
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You're all wrong, self dillusional. It's all about inside strength, control, domination of the boards. Get Kobe open and shut down the transition . . . oh, wait . . . wrong thread.
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WBraun
climber
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Yeah, we all clearly see how silly you sound when you ask questions and answer them for everyone including putting your own words into the answers.
Only someone with their pride raging out of control would continually do that.
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WBraun
climber
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You don't ask questions at all.
You demand.
And then answer them yourself.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Illusiondweller, what did I say ???
I totally believe God made the world and all of the universe and creation. It's the "how many years" thing I think the "church" and "science" cannot really prove without a doubt. That's all. Peace on a Sunday evening and thanking my Heavenly Father for today and all its beauty. lynne
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go-B
climber
In God We Trust
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Bird'man,
It's about God and Jesus not religion!
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Dr. F, I ask jesus questions and he answers them. Right now I am asking him to help me find a job and what direction the rest of my life will take.
I asked him why Dan had to die so early (at least to me) and the purpose of his death. I ask him for help in specific and practical areas of my life and he answers those too.
Like any relationship it grows according to the time and energy and mucho caring you put into it. And one needs to listen......:D
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TripL7
Trad climber
san diego
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Ed- "Awakenings."
Was that the same book that they made a movie out of starring Bobby De Niro and Robin Williams?
Neuoligist Oliver Sachs, yea...it is a true story.
Just incredible.
Excellent movie and probably as so with the book. I/we were required to watch it and write a report on Awakenings for one of my neuro/phys. dys. classes back in college, it had quite an impact on me!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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nice of you to ask, cintune. i did touch on it before, but it's a big part of my life and way of looking at things.
this was shortly after my dad died in 1994. my wife and i have had a marriage with much difficulty, but we've stuck with it, with each other, with our kids. several months after dad died, she was talking to a friend about us, and her friend suggested she come with her to a friend who was a gifted psychic. this isn't the storefront type. so she went, they sat down, and out of the deep blue nowhere this gal said, "there's a man with us in the room right now who recently died, his name begins with 'r', and he says that he is responsible for the troubles your husband is having". my dad's name was robert.
so it went. remarkable what a real psychic is capable of. it's a gift, an ability only a few people have, the only explanation for it. like only a few people among us can perform a violin concerto, another kind of miracle. what clinched this for me was information. my grandfather had committed suicide by hanging himself. my father, a short time afterward, had set a rope swing in the side yard and pushed us, his sons, on it, dreaming of good futures for us, trying to do something positive with a rope. this gal had no way of knowing these things. she "channeled" for my dad, my paternal grandfather, and my maternal grandmother, an always positive presence in my life, who showed up as an "angel". i recognized my grandfather right away by his wry humor, his way of turning words. like me, he was a frustrated poet.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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just teasing, dr. F. it wasn't my suggestion, btw, but i thought it might be a good idea. like i say, feel free to ignore any third-in-a-row posts i make.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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i think dr. F if by far the greatest mind on this thread.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mr. Long,
I wasn't the first to say that some people are going to hell. I was just paraphrasing the originator of that remark, God, when he said through John:
"16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." -John 3:16-19
God does not lie, but is the truth, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." And earlier in that same passage God explains how to avoid hell, "...that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
All you have to do is "believe"...otherwise, yep, you guessed it.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Not only that but He says it's a free gift!...
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23
GIFT, n. [from give.] A present; any thing given or bestowed; any thing, the property of which is voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation. - Noah Webster's 1828 dictionary
That means that you don't have to work to receive it. Nothing you can do (works) can earn that gift, "8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
"All you have to do is believe."
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Tony,
"27A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." - Leviticus 20:27
"10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee." - Deuteronomy 18:10-13
"All you have to do is believe"
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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ABOMINA'TION, n.
1. Extreme hatred; detestation.
2. The object of detestation, a common signification in scripture.
The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord. Prov 15. -
Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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People chose those words for their meaning, so I don't know what great big point you are trying to make by quoting the bible and then providing the definitions.
There is no god. Those are human words. The bible is a product of the human imagination.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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"Those are human words. The bible is a product of the human imagination."
Impossible...
Bible Prophecy and Probability
The record of Bible prophecy and the corresponding historical fulfillment.
By: Brother David Hall, San Diego, CA
PROPHECY/ PROBABILITY
1. His birth in Bethlehem from the tribe of Judah. - Michah 5:2/Matt 2:1
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2. He would be preceded by a messenger. - Isaiah 40:3/Matt 3:1-2
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3. He would enter Jerusalem on a colt. - Zech 9:9/Luke 19:35
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4. He would be betrayed by a friend. - Psalm 41:9/Matt 26:47-48
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5. His hands and feet would be pierced. - Psalm 22:16/Luke 23:33
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6. He would be scourged by His enemies. - Isaiah 53:5/Matt 27:26
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7. His betrayal for 30 pieces of silver. - Zech 11:12/Matt 26:15
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8. He will be spit upon and beaten. - Isaiah 5:6/Matt 26:27
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9. His betrayal money would be thrown into the temple. Zech11:13/Mat 27:5-7
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10. He would be silent before His accusers. - Isaiah 53:7/Mat 27:12-14
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11. He would be crucified with thieves. - Isaiah 53:12/Mat 27:38
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12. People would gamble for His garments. - Psalm 22:18/John 19:23-24
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13. His side would be pierced. - Zech 12:10/John 19:34
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14. None of His bones would be broken. - Psalm 34:20/John 19:34
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15. His body would not decay. - Psalm 16:10/Acts 2:31
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16. His burial in a rich an's tomb. Isaiah 53:9/Mat 27:57-60
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17. The darkness covering the earth at midday. - Amos 8:9/Mat 27:45
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Total odds against the above prophesied events occuring by chance are:
4.8E+33
Man is good...but not that good!
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Coincidences and fabrications to fit with the predictions.
Crucifixions took place for about a thousand years and I'm sure those thousands killed were treated quite cruelly before death too, but Mel Gibson didn't make a movie about any of them to weep over.
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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About Me: David Hall
Name: David Hall Location: San Diego, California, United States
I retired from the U.S. Navy in 1997. More importantly, I trusted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior in 1973 and will tell anyone about Him who will listen to the evidence that He is the Savior of the world! I have been employed as an English teacher, but am now retired and serving the Lord full time. I am especially eager to present the evidence that PROVES the Bible to be true, by examining the accuracy of fulfilled prophecy (God has NEVER been wrong), the historical reality of the resurrection of Christ, the intelligent design evident in nature by which God has clearly illustrated His attributes, and an objective examination of the scientific validity of the Bible, whenever it speaks to issues of science (e.g., the Bible's claim that the stars were innumerable (Jeremiah 33:22) while astronomers in 150 A.D. said there were at most 3,000). A lot is riding on this, friends. God's promises of salvation are as valid as His promises of judgment. And you must decide which one you want to experience for all of your eternity... a long time to regret the wrong choice. Come to Christ today, while you may. -Matthew 11:28.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Boulder Creek CA
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Here we have fish discussing the nature of water.
The fish are mainly composed of water.
Current research and discussions and historic records from ancient fish don't really change the nature of water in which swimming is occurring now.
The fish may or may not be chemists or physicists or meta-physicians or theologians or computational fluid dynamicists. Yet the dialog is interesting and consuming of attention units. However those are not necessarily the critical enablers of increased awareness.
The noise of dialog can also be a factor impeding awareness, particularly when an individual fish's sense of cultural origins, personal rightness and social stature within the school is threatened.
People are tools builders.
Language(including mathematics and financial computations) is one of our most powerful tools.
Language has serious limitations relative to deep awareness and wisdom.
In fact this might be our critical anthropomorphic measure of the maturity of the fish society i.e. understanding that all have much to learn, and respectfully agreeing not to argue about unprovable belief systems; as the fish mutually and separately endeavor to increase awareness.
It may increase awareness to have less of arguing and more of spending time enjoying swimming (or climbing).
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illusiondweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Hey Juan,
Really, it's been fun sparring with you for a while now. How's everything? Need any help, money, a helping hand, can I help out in any way? I'll do what I can.
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