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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 26, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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I wish my remains to be cremated and my ashes scattered in the ventilation system of a government building.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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May 26, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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One of the most stupid things about Christianity is the tenant that people can be divided into two distinct camps. The ones that get to live forever in paradise, and the ones that get to rot in hell. What utter bullsh#t.
LOL so true!
suck's because they actually walk around like their sh#t don't stink cuzz god told them they are his children!?!
I love all of the anti jesus comments.
we have found are common sense of place!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 26, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
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DrF you left this paragraph out.
At least one member of Adams' cabinet, Secretary of War James McHenry, is known to have protested the language of article 11, before its ratification.[18] A second treaty, the Treaty of Peace and Amity signed on July 4, 1805, superseded the 1796 treaty. The 1805 treaty did not contain the phrase "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."[19][
Why are you in such denial over how this country was started?
The Constitution was obliviously written with the bible in mind. And what about all the famous prayers spoken and written by George Washington and other founders that even stated the name Jesus? And in the beginning everyone had to take an oath which included the name Jesus to be able to serve.
The freedoms YOU enjoy today are in fact emulated from the bible.
It is American to rebel. But to deny is what Base called "willful ignorance"
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 26, 2014 - 02:52pm PT
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you won't hear a Muslim mocking Christ. In the Koran, Jesus is depicted as one of the major prophets. There is a distinction to be made here. Muslims do not believe Jesus was the son of god. Nor that he ascended etc. Any more than they think similar nonsense about Muhammed.
They were prophets, given the word of god, but not godlike themselves.
There is another interesting irony. When Muhammed was fleeing persecution with his armies and tribe (everything was tribal, not religious) they found refuge with the Hebrew clans/tribes living in the remote oasis of Medina(then called Yathrib). His "Constitution of Medina" established rights and respect for the various tribes, specifically including the Jews. He adopted several Jewish traditions into the Muslim religion.
See Karen Armstrong: Muhammed: A Prophet for Our Time for a readable history of Muhammed and Islam.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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May 26, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
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I still wonder what happen to Mohammed's horse?
did it also go into heaven?
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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May 26, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 26, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 27, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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white noise
TY
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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May 27, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
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Jeez, go-B.
No one reads that spam!
+100. If anyone was interested, then this spam would surely turn them away.
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thebravecowboy
climber
in the face of the fury of the funk
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May 27, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
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...we should run to the Lord for He is good! :) if we should run to god because he is good, Go-B, should we not then sprint for Frosted Flakes because "They're Great!"?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 27, 2014 - 02:23pm PT
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doggone it
now you've gone and given go-beee the attention he's been seeking.
He'll never go away now.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 27, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
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There are no images of Muhammed
Muslims don't portray animals or humans in their art. Any sentient beings.
You'd be equally blasphemous if you made a "flattering" image of Muhammed.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO
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May 27, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
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Sorry this thread has degenerated. I'll try inject something that might be worth reading.
Let's do the Socratic things and define terms.
Is the question whether we are a "Christian" nation to be answered from a statistical, sociological, historical, de facto or de jure point of view?
The US of A is perhaps statistically Christian in the nominal sense of no other religion has a larger number of followers. Sociologically it is Christian since no other organized religion has had more influence on our culture and institutions. Historically, it was once upon a time more "Christian" than it is today, as the tide is going out on Christianity all over the world. From the above, perhaps the US of A is de facto Christian - by default. However, our Constitution makes clear we are NOT de jure a "Christian" nation at all.
More on the ebb and flow of Christianity as "official religion" of the US of A follows.
I've read the minutes of the pre-Revolutionary Pennsylvania General Assembly. Every duly elected member had to sign (and I don't think anyone gave it a second thought) an affirmation of their religious belief in a Christian God and theology.
I can't say when this requirement went out of vogue, but just image if someone got the idea today to pass a law requiring a religious litmus test for a person to serve in an American legislature. No way would that fly with anyone. And yet, such litmus tests were normal BITD of our Founding Fathers.
The overall direction of history does not favor the anti-scientific, Bible thumping point of view. Really, it is in full retreat - and only the brave and boisterous sounds of the thumpers on the last bastions are what we hear. The "Go-Bs" may be persistent and obnoxious but their time has past. The Grand Inquisitor lost.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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May 27, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
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And of course it doesn't help that the Catholic Priests are too busy humping little boys instead of promoting their religion...
Oh locker, you are so ignorant. They do that because that is what god tell's them to do. It is an act of god.
And the best part is that all's they have to do is walk into the magic wooden phone booth and all sins are absolved. Then they get to transfer to a new job.
Look at all the wonderful christian's in politics who are constantly cheating on their wives, stealing, leading secret gay lives while they chair committees on good christian family values.
How dare you go against the Third Reich.
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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May 27, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
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Sugar coating the truth will only let you down, the truth will set you free!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 27, 2014 - 03:25pm PT
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bubbles
ugly, ridiculous, stupid and totally protected by the law.
what do you think of adoration of images of jesus on the cross with blood running down his hands and from his crown of thorns?
We've been over this silly myth that the Founding Fathers were all Christians at least once on this thread. This is one of the reasons we have the First Amendment.
I debunked the myth a couple of weeks ago. Go and look it up for yourself.
I can't say when this requirement went out of vogue By the time the Constitutional Convention finished its work.
The oath of office of the President of the United States. No swearing to a god.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 8
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:— “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Many Presidents have added "so help me god", many have not.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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May 27, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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God is black woman who is going get all medieval on the posers and hypocrites
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saa
climber
Bleau, cham, pink granite coast
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May 27, 2014 - 03:35pm PT
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Bump
bump or Jim.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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May 27, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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I also love physics and the modern biological sciences
Ha!
You believe bubbles scrub.
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