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Mason

Trad climber
Yay Area
Aug 26, 2010 - 05:49pm PT
Fattrad,

Does 3 berkeley students in an Iranian jail have anything to do with religious tolerance/hatred or an islamic cultural center? I'm not sure where the connection is.

Matt

Trad climber
primordial soup
Aug 26, 2010 - 07:33pm PT
I calmly discuss issues and point out facts while you...


OMG that one's a riot toots.



I'll give you this much:
The last time you actually did point out a fact, I probably was a little wet behind the ears (now 40, you figure that one out)

And I don't hate you, I don't care enough about you to feel that strongly. I just see you- quite clearly- for what you are, and I don't respect you at all, not one bit. Like all too many others who these days feel willing to bare the dirty bigoted side of their world view, you are a stain on the fabric of this country, on the promise of what this country could be, what it should be, on that which so many others before us have worked so hard to build.

There is no point in arguing such black and white issues with you or others like you. You are a racist who doesn't really think it's a big deal. I am just calling a spade a spade, and you, (or as Dan Akroyd would say- "you ignorant slut"), are a spade.

Cheerio
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Aug 26, 2010 - 08:07pm PT
Meanwhile, tolerant Christians are showing the evil Muslims how a REAL religion practices God's peace and love and remember the horrible events of 9/11.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/us/26gainesville.html


GAINESVILLE, Fla. — If building an Islamic center near ground zero amounts to the epitome of Muslim insensitivity, as critics of the project have claimed, what should the world make of Terry Jones, the evangelical pastor here who plans to memorialize the Sept. 11 attacks with a bonfire of Korans?

Mr. Jones, 58, a former hotel manager with a red face and a white handlebar mustache, argues that as an American Christian he has a right to burn Islam’s sacred book because “it’s full of lies.” And in another era, he might have been easily ignored, as he was last year when he posted a sign at his church declaring “Islam is of the devil.”

“We have to be careful,” he said. He tapped a holster on the right hip of his jean shorts; it held a .40-caliber pistol, which he said he was licensed to carry. “The overall response,” he added, “has been much greater than we expected.”

Mr. Jones who seems to spend much of his time inside a dank, dark office with a poster from the movie “Braveheart” and a picture of former President George W. Bush, appears to be largely oblivious to the potential consequences of his plans. Speaking in short sentences with a matter-of-fact drawl, he said that he could not understand why other Christians, including the nation’s largest evangelical association, had called for him to cancel “International Burn a Koran Day.

Cultural outreach centers are for pussies.

I'm sure there is some manner in which Skipt can find to rationalize this.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 08:28pm PT
Gene's right. Those people are whack-jobs. To say they represent New York sentiment or general American sentiment is disingenuous.

On a side-note, for all you Constitution lovers, they have every right to do that. Burn Qurans. They have the right, but is it in good taste??? Does it create disharmony and bad relations??

EDIT:

And Al-Qaeda appears to be the consensus of the typical Muslim... to small minded ignorant sluts here in Uhmerikuh.

Again the bigotry-baiting!!!! Did I ever say Al Qaida is the consensus of Muslims.

Typical slander.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 08:41pm PT
No, it ain't.

Is building a cultural center in THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR DECADES in bad taste? Only to ignorant sluts.

Yes it is. How many mosques are allowed (by Bloomberg prolly) and how many Churches that were there are disallowed?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
Yes it has. The Port Authority is dragging it's feet over the Greek Orthodox Church that stood at the base of the towers.
Gene

Social climber
Aug 26, 2010 - 08:48pm PT
On a side-note, for all you Constitution lovers, they have every right to do that. Burn Qurans. They have the right, but is it in good taste??? Does it create disharmony and bad relations??

I must be getting soft in the brain. I though that Park51 was approved by NYC municipal authorities.

Seems to me that Gainseville didn't give the Dovers a permit for health and safety reasons. If the Dovers abide by municipal codes and get the proper permits, they can burn whatever. As much as I disagree with their point of view, I will support their rights.

g
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
Seems to me that Gainseville didn't give the Dovers a permit for health and safety reasons. If the Dovers abide by municipal codes and get the proper permits, they can burn whatever. As much as I disagree with their point of view, I will support their rights.

And do you think a small Church was denied the right to burn probably a small bonfire worth of Qurans? Political?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:02pm PT
Gene's right. Those people are whack-jobs. To say they represent New York sentiment or general American sentiment is disingenuous.


*consistently presents the extremes of his political opponents as being the mainstream*



*cries when faced with his own medicine*



*is bluering*
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:05pm PT
"Dragging feet" = disallowed

Explain...



*consistently presents the extremes of his political opponents as being the mainstream*



*cries when faced with his own medicine*



*is bluering*

Explain why.
Gene

Social climber
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
And do you think a small Church was denied the right to burn probably a small bonfire worth of Qurans? Political?


Not at all. I think it has to do with municipal codes, such as fires in public places, crowd control, emergency vehicle access, etc. How many TV vans do you think this 50 person congregation will attract? More power to them.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:14pm PT
Seriously Blurring, is building a Catholic church near an Elementary School in poor taste? Explain.

I don't see how it is, are all Catholics pedophiles?? Is that what you imply?


If the Greeks had any money I'm sure their church would be built. They aren't being "disallowed."

I think they're allowed public funds because of 'disaster relief' regs. The tower fell on the Church.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:15pm PT
Did I ever say they were????
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Arid-zona
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
bluering said
Explain why.


Ahahahaguagluahuagluagluag. Ok I'm done for the night. You are a crackup and lost in the depths of your own delusion. Read your posting history for "why."
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:25pm PT


http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/497677/Loiss-Law-and-The-Loising-Point
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:26pm PT
Man, I'm a pretty conservative guy, but I don't see the other side of the fence being right on this.

I see this as an opportunity for New York to say that it is a diversified city that has grown past ugly stereotypes - imagine being a Pakistani (or Turkish, or Indian, or anything somewhat middle-eastern) dude living in the bronx from 2001 to the present. People who love this country and harbor no respect or mercy for terrorism caught a lot of sh#t for it, best you believe.


It would be magnanimous if that mosque were to go up besides a Catholic Church and a fire station and for everyone to get along knowing they are all family, all Americans. Unfortunately thats not the case.


Who determines what religious buildings can go near what sensitive areas? Wheres the law? How many feet/miles? Is the mosque smack dab in the lobby of Freedom Tower, is across the street OK, how about 5 miles down the road?

This isn't US against THEM. It is US against US.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
The fact that some Catholic priests ass fuked little boys makes it offensive and in poor taste to build a Catholic church within a mile of an Elementary school.

Do yo think they'd move the Church amidst outcry from the locals near the school, or would they insist on having it there? Really.
Mason

Trad climber
Yay Area
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:30pm PT
Well said, G.
Gene

Social climber
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:30pm PT
GDavis,

I wanna buy you a beer. Well said.

g
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Aug 26, 2010 - 09:34pm PT
The point is, WOULD there be a public outcry?


I can see no reason why there would be, just like I see no reason here.
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