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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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May 23, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
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for realz
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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May 23, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
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Why are people so distraught at their own mortality that huge mythologies are invented to dispute the facts of existence? Like mankind deserves some eternal reward for making it through life. This is the reward. Self-awareness and the ability to control one's destiny where as most life forms can not. Heaven and hell? Bullsh#t. Corporeal form gets broken down into reusable energy, unless preserved and stuffed into a coffin.
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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May 23, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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Flippity, my granddaughter knows I'm Mr. Tickles! :)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 23, 2014 - 10:55pm PT
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And to think go-b and crew get this... and accept it...
:)
And to think Christianity's been our default belief system in America for the last 200 years...
Wow.
Welcome to the global 21st century information age, Christians and Muslims!
(Remember, don't hate the messenger.)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 24, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
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This behavior usually comes with a complete lack of taking basic social clues from others. They have no clue they're boring windbags. In fact, any inward introspection in themselves is cause for even more awful blabbery. .
Morality and faith is indeed usually boring. Doesn't mean it's irrelevant.
And I don't get my morality from "social clues". This may be a symptom of current societal issues and morays.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 24, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
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Keep mocking. I'm cool with it.
And I've dived with bigger Morays than that.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 24, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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I bet you dive on them constantly.
You think you're clever, right? That doesn't even make sense, dude.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 24, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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"It is taboo in our society to criticize a persons religious faith... these taboos are offensive, deeply unreasonable, but worse than that, they are getting people killed. This is really my concern. My concern is that our religions, the diversity of our religious doctrines, is going to get us killed. I'm worried that our religious discourse- our religious beliefs are ultimately incompatible with civilization.
The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive.
When considering the truth of a proposition, one is either engaged in an honest appraisal of the evidence and logical arguments, or one isn't. Religion is one area of our lives where people imagine that some other standard of intellectual integrity applies.
I know of no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too desirous of evidence in support of their core beliefs.We have a choice. We have two options as human beings. We have a choice between conversation and war. That's it. Conversation and violence. And faith is a conversation stopper.” Sam Harris
TY
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 24, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
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Bruce, in that sense, I would say yes. Religious dogma is divisive and only serves to separate us , rather than bring us together. We are approaching a time when a religious zealot, sitting in a cave somewhere with a thousand dollar laptop, can unleash Armageddon. And he or she will do it because the warrant for such action is contained within their religion. In other words, it's not done in the name of God, but because of God. Faith.
Conversation stopper.
TY
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 24, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
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What I'm suggesting is that there is nothing we need to believe on insufficient evidence in order to have deeply ethical and spiritual lives.
TY
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 24, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
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If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” Sam Harris
By definition of a sermon, he implies a superiority of authority, which leaves little room for conversation.
If you think that it would be impossible to improve upon the Ten Commandments or the bible as a whole cloth, as a statement of morality, you really owe it to yourself to read some other scriptures. Once again, we need look no further than the Jains: Mahavira, the Jain patriarch, surpassed the morality of the Bible with a single sentence: 'Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being.' Imagine how different our world might be if the Bible contained this as its central precept. Christians have abused, oppressed, enslaved, insulted, tormented, tortured, and killed people in the name of God for centuries, on the basis of a theologically defensible reading of the Bible.
TY
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 24, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
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all you fake "Christians" who live for nothing but fear and hatred; YOU are crucifying Him all over again; with your total ignorance and stupidity and paranoia you drive another nail each time you open your mouths
Listen here, as#@&%e, you'd rather have me be silent when people mistakenly defame and castigate my faith, than defend it?
I don't pretend to 'know' what Jesus or God wants, but I have a feeling based on my research. Battle the bad and promote the good.
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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May 24, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
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Bluey has " a feeling based on my research"
This is just getting good.
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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May 24, 2014 - 09:28pm PT
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Listen here, as#@&%e, you'd rather have me be silent when people mistakenly defame and castigate my faith, than defend it?
I rest my case.
TY
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 24, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
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You people have no concept of faith or divinity. Everything to you is about you and your personal concepts of reality. That is normal, I suppose.
In all your personal wisdom, have you considered the concept of God? Ever?
He is not always nice, rarely is of late. But sometimes he shines through the darkness, usually just for a moment. God happens.
But it is indeed easier to be cool and mock God and appear hip. Whatever. I have tasted God's wisdom, I think, and I can see the truth.
Doesn't mean I'm smarter than anyone, I have just seen amazing stuff that can only be defined as divine.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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May 24, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
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mo·res
ˈmôrˌāz/
noun
plural noun: mores
the essential or characteristic customs and conventions of a community.
"an offense against social mores"
Not eels, though the eel photo was funny as anything!
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 24, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
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Despite my better judgement I'll play along.
Bluering,
Why do you need to constantly compartmentalize people?
Muslims, gays, liberals, Jews, poor, etc.
It's seems to be the opposite way you would expect someone who follows Jesus' teachings to act, y'know love all gods creatures, treat others as equals and all that sh#t. You give people here many reasons not to share your beliefs.
How can humans ever expect to unite as equals with this hypocritical way of thinking you try to preach here?
How can divinity be achieved when the lords self proclaimed minions such as yourself claim that it's poor peoples fault they are poor? Gay peoples fault they are gay?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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May 24, 2014 - 11:02pm PT
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Why do you need to constantly compartmentalize people?
Muslims, gays, liberals, Jews, poor, etc.
Don't all people compartmentalize themselves? Isn't that the way of the world, us and them?
I think Bluey is jus feeding the world as it feeds him? He's just stuck at pointing at the sin we instead of the sin. IMO.
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go-B
climber
Cling to what is good!
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May 25, 2014 - 03:38am PT
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