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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:19am PT
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BLUEY
glad you are pissed. wish we were across the table for that bitch slappin..
this is hate mongering....pure and simple...i work with a muslim dude. best person ever!
Getting angry at Bluering for behaving like he always does is pointless. It's like getting angry at a dog for being a dog.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:21am PT
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Uh oh, I think Blue is going to bust out with "i climb with a muslim guy named mason and we're cool!"
That's like saying, "I don't hate black people, I have a black friend."
Uh, no, Johnson. What it f*#king means is I climb with you because you're a cool climber and a good person and good partner. My f*#king point was that your religion had nothing to do with it!!!!
"I don't hate black people, I have a black friend."
By definition how can you hate black people if you have a black friend????
And yeah, I do have animosity for some black gang-bangers and Islamic radicals, and Mexican drug cartel types, and KKK types, but can we stop with the f*#king blanket bigotry labels????
F*#k!!! This issue is not about that!
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:28am PT
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You need more adjectives, BlueMan.
Seriously.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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And Rovian?? It's over, dude, get past it! This is a Repub strategy??? You're smarter than this.
Of course I'm also smart enough to know the South didn't really go republican over race, too. No, you're just as blind, ignorant and bigoted as they are counting on you being. Again, it's the new "Southern" strategy - but this time with Mexicans and Muslims standing in for blacks.
It's the "a suckers born every minute" politics the republicans and corporations have been pushing for the last quarter century and those feelings of persecution, victimization, and hatred are still selling gangbusters.
It's the artful mirror indirection of Sun Tzu...
Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.
Karl Rove, Ralph Reed, and Lee Atw#ter aren't stars in republican heaven for nothing. Dude, you're just another fish who can't help but take the bait - predictable as snot and the soul of the new republican party.
P.S. It's somehow more than a little ironic and fitting that "Atw#ter" engages the obscenity filter...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 26, 2010 - 01:15am PT
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Karl Rove, Ralph Reed, and Lee Atw#ter aren't stars in republican heaven for nothing. Dude, you're just another fish who can't help but take the bait - predictable as snot and the soul of the new republican party.
Do you mean like the divide and conquer techniques??? The ones who also swallow the race-bait?
I think you know what I mean...
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Aug 26, 2010 - 01:19am PT
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I understand it's a sore subject. At first I thought, "wtf, that is a little f'd up." But then the story unfolded and then I thought about it more and it's a right that should not be taken away.
I am not sure what will happen if the Sufi Ustad ends up canceling plans for the center. I'm also not sure what'll happen if the center is built.
All I know is this is a bad situation which cannot be undone. It's like trying to plug a very badly fractured dam.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 26, 2010 - 01:25am PT
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All I know is this is a bad situation which cannot be undone. It's like trying to plug a very badly fractured dam.
I agree. But it can be solved by moving the mosque. Wouldn't everybody win? The Saudi overlords could be reimbursed their cash with a bonus and just move it!
I think it's a win-win....New Yorkers would appreciate the gesture.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:05am PT
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New York and the U.S need MORE prominent Islamic centers in salient places…with spokespersons to explain why…many more women are stoned than men…why four witnesses are required to condemn a man to death… yet one disgruntled husband or father can damn a female.
…ever seen a human being stoned to death? (Yes, even THAT is on the internet !)
I believe Mohammed had peaceful religion in mind.
Perhaps Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his delegates will explain why a blown-in-the-bottle Islamic judge, Sheikh Ibrahim Abdirahman, can sentence a 20 year old woman to death by stoning, while her alleged lover is given 100 lashes.
More cross-cultural exhibitions with Islam are needed…not less. Today stoning is only practiced in order to maintain the submission of its women… and often grounds for such accusations are flimsy and no more than rumor. Muslim men, more often than not, are drunk in the power that their religion confers upon them.
Islamic expositions in the west opens the religion to questioning and discernment and enables feedback …and those in power will ask…why the negative scrutiny?
…No? …it can’t be any less effective than our recent wars.
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:09am PT
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"I believe Mohammed had peaceful religion in mind." Jennie
I respectfully disagree.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:16am PT
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Leaving aside the Cordoba Centre issue, I agree with Jennie. The best way to reform or expose or showcase Islam, for better or worse, is in public. (And other religions.) It's clear that some of its sects and adherents use their beliefs as a pretext for loathsome, hideous behaviour. (Far from all!) The best disinfectant is almost always sunlight.
Speaking of which, it's surprising that the US government and military haven't been more aggressive about disclosing what they know about the behaviour of al Qaeda, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and their adherents. That is, out them. Wherever their behaviours are outside civilized norms, whether its abuse of women, murder of innocents, grotesque 'justice', donkey-f*#king, use of drugs, or whatever. Out them, by name. They advertise themselves as morally superior - show the world they aren't, and are hypocrites.
(Although the typical Republican may want to remember the one about those who cast the first stone...)
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apogee
climber
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:19am PT
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"Perhaps Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his delegates will explain why a blown-in-the-bottle Islamic judge, Sheikh Ibrahim Abdirahman, can sentence a 20 year old woman to death by stoning, while her alleged lover is given 100 lashes."
Gosh, Jennie...that's horrible. Shall we make a list of every horrific injustice that has occurred in the name of every major religion?
None of them are innocent and pure, and therefore, none of them have any right to judge.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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so wait, before they wanted a mosque at the WTC ground zero site and it was over the dead bodies of all the 911 families, now they are a bunch of pushy and insensitive muslims whose stated goals of tolerance are just in conflict with the proximity to the WTC?
jeez bluey,
i hafta say, it's really kinda pathetic to see your posts in this thread change with exactly the tone and details that the fauxnews talking points change with. do you not ever THINK for yourself? you just regurgitate this stuff like a mama seagull .
what's more-
I think it's a win-win....New Yorkers would appreciate the gesture.
so now you speak for new yorkers?
oh really?
or do you even think all new yorkers feel the same as each other?
do only those who, like you, would rather deny others their rights but cannot do so, get counted up in what "new yorkers would appreciate"?
and btw- NY, like SF, is famous for its widely embraced liberal leanings, so let's not pretend we speak for "new yorkers", shall we? (because doing so makes you look all the more like an idiot, from where i am typing- just sayin)
and how do you not see the holes in your own thought patterns?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:32am PT
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and please, if we are discussing what happens in this country, let's not falsely compare what happens in other countries.
jenny, do you wanna discuss the marriage practices in the 4 corners area, as described in "Under the Banner of Heaven"? are those examples, or other extreme examples of sexual battery, child abuse, etc., valid examples of what you think is mainstream mormonism today? just sayin.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:39am PT
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New York and the U.S need MORE prominent Islamic centers in salient places
Thanks Jennie, for this most excellent point. We wonder why the middle east can't get along, then we do the same thing they do, which is claim some ground is holy, and try to keep others out. The middle east has fought over who gets to worship where for centuries on end. I wonder if America can show the way, that forgiveness is the answer.
Not the silly forgiveness that ignores the danger, but the real forgiveness that recognizes that the basic Muslim in America doesn't want Sharia law, doesn't want the radicals to win, but does want respect and a chance to live like any other American.
The best way we have to win hearts and minds is to treat everyone like we would like to be treated. muslim, black, hispanic, female, christian, whatever.. I learned a little song back in church. Perhaps you have heard it. Jesus loves the little children. I have slightly different words for it.
Jesus love the little children.
All the children of the world.
Pink and Yellow,
Orange and green,
Everyone is peachy king.
Jesus love the little children of the world.
I wonder if we will ever figure that part out.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 26, 2010 - 02:59am PT
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Blue, when you said:
If you'd have paid any attention my posts in the past, moron and race-baiter, you'd know that I happily climb with a Muslim and work with two others. One of which I hired myself, you know why??? Because he was f*#king qualified!!!!
You should realize that your ally in this, LEB, and likely many many others out in Temecula, feel that you should be SHUNNED, for your voluntary association with those of that religion.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 26, 2010 - 03:02am PT
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yes, YES, thank you, michele malkin!
(a highly reputable source of unbiased and untarnished perspective if ever there was one...?)
btw, in case you missed it, that was sarcasm
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Aug 26, 2010 - 03:11am PT
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...although NPR and the dailykos aren't out there chirping about "us or them", nor are they making the openly divisive and inflamatory statements we regularly see from so many on the right. malkin's ridiculous statement that the guy worked for some lefty production co., and so the left itself is/was to blame is itself so completely laughable that only a right-winger would find it reasonable.
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