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Gene
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Aug 25, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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Because it is pissing a majority of people off! It's having the opposite effect of the Imam's stated aims. It isn't bringing people together. It's proven to be abrasive to most New Yorkers and Americans in general.
How does that differ from the march across the Selma bridge way back when? Or Rosa Parks sitting down on a forbidden seat? Why should anyone’s rights be limited by public opinion? My God, when majority approval and sanction become the determining factors in how we live, we are well and truly screwed.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 25, 2010 - 09:12pm PT
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sheesh guys.
these folks hate muslims. thats what its about. sticking their face in it isnt helping cuz they dont want to acknowledge that this is against this country's core values.
where is Jenny? what does she think. she is mormon, surely she knows about the persecution of that faith?
japanese in WWII...
like I said earlier, good thing it was not mexican terrorists.....they would blame the entire country...
bluey, you piss me off with your stupidity, and while i might feel like bitch slappin you, you have the right to be as moronic as you want...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
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It's only pissing off morons who are being manipulated by a Rovian republican midterm strategy. They in turn are pissing off Muslims around the world and inciting a higher threat level for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
That's just ridiculous...New Yorkers just wanted it moved and you are calling them morons. Nice!
And Rovian?? It's over, dude, get past it! This is a Repub strategy??? You're smarter than this.
How does that differ from the march across the Selma bridge way back when? Or Rosa Parks sitting down on a forbidden seat?
They didn't kill a bunch a people in the name of a particular religion.
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sheesh guys.
these folks hate muslims. thats what its about. sticking their face in it isnt helping cuz they dont want to acknowledge that this is against this country's core values.
I'm so sick of this f*#king bullshit excuse for an arguement. If that's the case why is everybody saying just build it elsewhere? They aren't calling for no mosque, just move it because New Yorkers don't want it there.
You're the moron for failing to address my point above. You refuse to so you knee-jerkingly pull the Islamophobe arguement and then tie it into mexican racism. WTF???
You are the moron.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Aug 25, 2010 - 10:07pm PT
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where is Jenny?
I’m reading along, Hawkeye… I, personally, have no argument with expanding the Islamic cultural center and mosque. New York is culturally diverse with significant Muslim population…an exhibition in the name of peace is appropriate.
(…although I’m surprised at several posters, here, who in the past have condemned Christianity using quotations from Leviticus…being curiously silent about Shariah law.)
(…and those critical of Christian political activity, vis-a-vis Proposition 8, …but quiescent that some Islamic nations yet stone homosexuals to death…and some, including the Kingdom of Bahrain, bar effeminate looking men and masculine women from entering at air terminals.)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13pm PT
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Blue is right in that the 911 attackers did not kill in the name of particular religion.
Bin Laden has stated on his videos that he hates Americans and ordered the
Trade Tower attacks primarily because the United States arms Israel, who
then uses our weapons to kill Palestinians, among other people in the middle east.
He did NOT "kill" in the "name" of religion, it was revenge.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2010 - 10:22pm PT
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Bin Laden has stated on his videos that he hates Americans and ordered the
Trade Tower attacks primarily because the United States arms Israel, who
then uses our weapons to kill Palestinians, among other people in the middle east.
He did NOT "kill" in the "name" of religion, it was revenge.
This illustrates a common mental disorder. Do you really believe this, Norton? And answer it directly without equivocation.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Aug 25, 2010 - 10:31pm PT
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...but quiescent that some Islamic nations...
The key phrase here is "islamic nations". It's their country, they can do what they want. Of course I think it's barbaric and that's why I choose to live in the US. We need to get the hell out of their countries rather than stick around "winning hearts and minds" ... to radical islam.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
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The key phrase here is "islamic nations". It's their country, they can do what they want. Of course I think it's barbaric and that's why I choose to live in the US. We need to get the hell out of their countries rather than stick around "winning hearts and minds" ... to radical islam.
I agree with the notion, but when they give a base of operations to attack us, that changes things.
And Saddam? He was threatening global oil supplies in his invasion of Kuwait and maybe Saudi Arabia. I hate the Saudis as much as the next guy, but either drill locally, buy locally, or get the alternatives in order. Saddam was a menace to the region, and therefore, the world.
The Saudis are real SOB's. They have deep roots in these problems, as Fatty always points out.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:03pm PT
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brokenclock said Because it is pissing a majority of people off! It's having the opposite effect of the Imam's stated aims. It isn't bringing people together. It's proven to be abrasive to most New Yorkers and Americans in general.
If we only ever allowed anything to happen that the majority of people in this country wanted it would be a pretty boring and bland country nowhere near as great as what we currently are. Also, the fact that wanting to construct a cultural outreach center near Ground Zero "pisses a majority of people off" is exactly WHY we need a Muslim cultural center near Ground Zero.
brokenclock also posted
And Saddam? He was threatening global oil supplies in his invasion of Kuwait and maybe Saudi Arabia. I hate the Saudis as much as the next guy, but either drill locally, buy locally, or get the alternatives in order.
So you are now admitting that it was all about oil? Interesting. Also, "drilling locally" does absolutely nothing. It's a global market. If you "drill locally" you still sell globally. And there localvore movement (currently being pushed by the liberal hippies you hate so much) hasn't yet expanded to petrol, where Americans have shown pretty clearly we will always buy cheapest.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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If we only ever allowed anything to happen that the majority of people in this country wanted it would be a pretty boring and bland country nowhere near as great as what we currently are. Also, the fact that wanting to construct a cultural outreach center near Ground Zero "pisses a majority of people off" is exactly WHY we need a Muslim cultural center near Ground Zero.
Alright, explain that to the majority of 'idiots' who disagree. You and your other fellow travelers must be right. It'll create 'harmony'. Yeah, right.
So you are now admitting that it was all about oil? Interesting. Also, "drilling locally" does absolutely nothing. It's a global market. If you "drill locally" you still sell globally. And there localvore movement (currently being pushed by the liberal hippies you hate so much) hasn't yet expanded to petrol, where Americans have shown pretty clearly we will always buy cheapest.
What? Not if we buy from Mexico and supplant it with domestic supplies. No Arab oil. Why would we sell?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:16pm PT
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Blue says I have a common mental disorder.
And I should answer him "without equivocation".
Because I respect his intellect so much, I will do as he orders.
YES
Earlier tonight, he called me a "Communist".
What is with the name calling? How does that add to a discussion.
I have never called him a name.
My feelings are hurt.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:18pm PT
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BLUEY
glad you are pissed. wish we were across the table for that bitch slappin..
this is hate mongering....pure and simple...i work with a muslim dude. best person ever!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:19pm PT
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norton,
at least he didnt want to bitch slap ya....
blueys mind is gone....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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Oh, I think he does. After all, I am a hated Communist.
But I am pretty good at swinging my cane around.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:42pm PT
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BLUEY
glad you are pissed. wish we were across the table for that bitch slappin..
this is hate mongering....pure and simple...i work with a muslim dude. best person ever!
If you'd have paid any attention my posts in the past, moron and race-baiter, you'd know that I happily climb with a Muslim and work with two others. One of which I hired myself, you know why??? Because he was f*#king qualified!!!!
So f*#k off with your race-baiting, bigotry crap! It's weak and old.
EDIT: Your threats of physical violence against me because of perceived bigotry actually prove my point about "progressives".
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:49pm PT
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He was threatening global oil supplies in his invasion of Kuwait and maybe Saudi Arabia
Yeah, not so much. We get the majority of our oil from Canada. Saudi Arabia sends us less than 25%, and Kuwait isn't even in the top 10.
We defended Kuwait as a favor to the friends of the Bush league, then The Shrub wanted to "one up" his dad, so they piggy-backed the war onto the Afghani clean up. Saddam had no weapons and was posturing to prevent his neighbors from invading him and the CIA likely knew it, so they manufactured intelligence to support our invasion and dragged other countries into the fight to make it seem legit.
Bush & Co has done more long term damage to our economy & respect in the world than any administration before and likely ever after. What better results could we have gotten investing the more-than-a-trillion dollars into middle east infrastructure (schools, hospitals, etc) instead of blowing them "back to the stone age?"
But the obtuse Neo-con/Rovian brain-washed/Fox-blind morons will have none of the truth and try to obfuscate the glaring truth with idiotic flag waving and fear mongering. Nice.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 25, 2010 - 11:59pm PT
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Norton..welcome back...most of the teeth nashing republicans like , skip , bluering , cornhole chopper call people names because the suffer from tourette syndrome...be patient with the as#@&%e of the year award ballots....rj
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:01am PT
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You're actually right, Skeptimistic, so why does Obama kiss their asses?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:08am PT
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Responding to "How does that differ from the march across the Selma bridge way back when? Or Rosa Parks sitting down on a forbidden seat?" Bluering said, "They [Rosa Parks and the marchers]didn't kill a bunch a people in the name of a particular religion."
Neither did the Moslems and Christians and Jews who are backing the Mosque. Of course, by implication, Bluering is saying that "they" did.
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Mason
Trad climber
Yay Area
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Aug 26, 2010 - 12:10am PT
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Gene, I'll work on my sentence construction as well.
Matt, you're right I'm just trying to see all angles.
Blue, in person you are pretty cool, but online I think you can be uncool.
Uh oh, I think Blue is going to bust out with "i climb with a muslim guy named mason and we're cool!"
That's like saying, "I don't hate black people, I have a black friend."
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