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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Oct 13, 2009 - 11:07pm PT
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Figure the best climbing stories will never be written
because
1. they didn't live to complete the epic
2. It's too embarrassing to tell.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Hagerman, ID
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Oct 13, 2009 - 11:28pm PT
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corniss chopper: You are right up to a point--------after senility sets in--------or twenty years, the embarrassing stories then need to be shared.
My current posted epic on Super topo: could not have been told until 20 years had flown by. My memories of friends who had been rescued when overdue on Canadian routes: kept my lips sewed shut on a really fun story.
In 1978 we knew we had screwed up-----now it is good for me to share the epic!
Chouinard Route, N. Face Mt. Fay Canada, An Epic Fritz Trip!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/977914/Chouinard_Route_N_Face_Mt_Fay_Canada_An_Epic_Fritz_Trip
don't know when I will post the "avalanche story."
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 14, 2009 - 02:29am PT
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hey there say, all.... sometimes, too, folks forget that writing comes by inspiration---and sometimes that "inpirations" sits on the shelf for a bit until something triggers it...
i love reading the trip reports here (but then, i am new and still find much to be discovered here, and, some of it is in bits-and-pieces, interspersed among threads, too... an adventure, it is... really... (though sometimes i miss many good pics, due to my down load here, being slow)...
well, as i was saying... some of these great trip reports are HIDING right now, due to job/work loads, etc, family life, etc---but once a climber comes here and kicks-back, relaxing, or just "hunting" or perhaps even just "venting" (as the moderen-day, has it)... then-and-there can come the very SPARK that is needed to trigger that inspiration to set-forth a GREAT trip report...
but you know... it is like a "yeast bread" you must wait patiently for it to "rise"...
and in the meantime, yes, there is "hearty and filling flat-bread" , very good trip reports in their own right---just not quite as filling or complex, perhaps, but they are here also... sometimesm overlooked as not quite "enough"---but---these are some of the very "trigger points" as well...
even the simple banter, which draws us all to the campfire here, has a purpose, it too, will suddenly trigger a spark of remembrance, as to a "say, did hear..." or a "now that you mention it..." or the most well-known "where the hell is the trip reports"...
well, hang on, they're commin' ....
just needs a bit more time in the ol' oven is all...
but say, when the time's ripe and baking is over... man oh man, supertopo can't be beat...
(can't be beat anyway, but some may beg to differ...)... ;)
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 14, 2009 - 03:05am PT
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MH2 wrote,
I most likely have this wrong and if so then Oplopanax would know better, but it looks a little like what happened on cascadeclimbers.com when they started a separate Spray Forum, then you got the Pirates' Forum, then so many different forums.
All technologies contain the seeds of their own destruction. I wish Supertopo had stuck with simple text and images and kept everyone focused on a single Forum for all discussion and trip reports.]Quote Here
Dang....... I saw some old trip reports on the front page and I noticed them in the trip report section and I thought that part of the new forum feature was that they would be posted in BOTH places thus keeping the front page the same, but having an archive section for trip reports. I guess that didn't happen. I was also hoping we would have an archive section for climbing topics, where topics could be posted to in either section which would then bump them to the head of each section, thus keeping the front page like it was, yet adding an archive for climbing topics and trip reports.
I have asked about this more then once, but few on the forum seem to get it, which is why I quess it hasn't happened and likely wont.
In a nutshell, my idea was to keep the front page the same, keeping all topics together, but also archive the climbing topics and the trip reports in their own sections thus making them easier to find for those who only want those topics. I think it would keep the flavor of the forum, plus draw those folks who only want climbing topics as they could just go to that section.
Anyone else like this idea? Some of you big dogs will have to get behind it if it is to fly. Am I making sense, or am I just blowing smoke. Chris has shown he is open to some change. We have to speak up if we want more change.
Donini and others could have what they seem to want, 24 hour climbing talk, ( nothing wrong with this, please do not think that I am denigrating this desire ). call it the all meat taco. While those who like having everything together such as the deluxe taco, can have what they want.
Well ???
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 14, 2009 - 03:06am PT
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I like your idea, John.
John
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 14, 2009 - 03:15am PT
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hey there say, john moosie... as to this quote of yours:
Anyone else like this idea? Some of you big dogs will have to get behind it if it is to fly. Am I making sense, or am I just blowing smoke. Chris has shown he is open to some change. We have to speak up if we want more change.
say, i like your idea... i had mentioned that too on the thread/post to chris, just awhile back...
say, i miss seeing the trip reports "at easy pickin's" reach...
i have to get on and off fast, sometimes, and i miss seeing the simple easy lines to "grab at" and scan through, then...
here's hoping and praying that his last little adjusting can fall into place... :)
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jstan
climber
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Oct 14, 2009 - 06:50am PT
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This was the third post so maybe I'll move it up here.
"Oct 13, 2009 - 09:00am PT
Yes.
Frankly the only climbing worth writing about is the climbing you would prefer to forget. But to write about that effectively you have to be able to write well. If we want to forget about just 5% of our climbing and if only 5% of us can write well......you do the math."
I'll also mention the really interesting thread by Dodo about climbers in the UK.
Hint, hint. More than anything else ST is suffering from incest(?).
Just seeing a photo of Joe Brown happy as a lark while climbing in the rain is enough to make one's day.
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Roman
Trad climber
Bostonia
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Oct 14, 2009 - 10:03am PT
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People just dont seems to like to participating in climbing discussion it seems. I have attempted to post what I thought were somewhat provocative thoughts on several climbing related topics only to see the threads sink as usual.
Why is climbing a sport and not a hobby?
Pre-civil war explicit boulder climbing references with a picture of an example boulder made into a monument due to the importance of this activity to the soldiers from the urban Boston area.
Money in climbing: why would people deserve money just for being good. Money is generally traded for services.
etc.
People generally wont stick their neck out to weigh in on sh#t unless they know 15 of their friends are going to agree with them. For example topics like: Clean aid > Ironmongery, Rap bolting is wrong, Sport climbing is neither, and on and on.
It becomes easier to just weigh in on bullshit topics and altogether avoid talking about climbing. TR's are a different story because all you can usually say is "Good Job!, "Nice send", or "Great Pics!"
Just my $0.02
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 14, 2009 - 11:09am PT
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I'd like to stop everyone right here and direct you to Fritz's link!!! OMG Fritz, great work.....just fantastic. Check this snippet out JD.
....Our scholarship grant request was the most ambitious presented by the timid and challenge-retarded membership of the club, but we were slighted with the offer of $50.00 gas money for Mark & a warning that it was not to be used to buy liquor. I tell you: the university professors that pulled the strings in that club were a stingy and unimaginative lot. They also imagined that I was a rich retailer, when in reality their university wages exceeded my outdoor shop earnings....
Sh*t, there's even some classic pictures!!! You rule buddy!
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MH2
climber
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Oct 14, 2009 - 01:53pm PT
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jstan:
Frankly the only climbing worth writing about is the climbing you would prefer to forget. But to write about that effectively you have to be able to write well. If we want to forget about just 5% of our climbing and if only 5% of us can write well......you do the math."
Why so downbeat, man?
Please, please, please tell us about Life Magazine 3 September 1971.
Or did he already?
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David Wilson
climber
CA
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Oct 20, 2009 - 10:29pm PT
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donini - let's see some photos from the infinite spur. that would be great, but maybe a camera was your last thought up there. what an amazing route.
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