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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Comes in colors? I'm sure one of them is flesh! That's what I call a manly tool. Can see why it would scare the crap out of people, and, of course, that's always a good time.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Pure Hollywood.
But I bet the .44mag kicks more than the .50action express.
The cool thing is the modular nature of the platform.
Nobody has to sell me on IMI though.
Love my Gallils and Baby Eagles.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Roxyboy, I was exactly correct in my statement that no one has ever been killed by a wolf in America. Perhaps you are frothing so hard that you could not read what I said.
Or, more likely, my vocabulary far outpaces the funny papers where you normally do all your reading. Do you, Palin and W. have a "book club"?
Also, thanks for proving the point of numerous posters that having a concealed carry permit proves only that you spent whatever money is required to buy it and nothing beyond that.
I offer a differing opinion than yours, backed by accurate, factual knowledge.
Your reaction? Call me a "fairy", and threaten me physically.
Guess that goes to show what a level-headed, self restraining bunch all you CCW permit holders are!
New question, is having to be armed all the time an affirmation of the cowardice shown by your behaviour? I'm pretty sure you would not have the guts to insult me like that face to face. I grew up in a tough , oilfield town, and statements like that meet the legal definition of "fighting words".
So do you shoot your mouth off like that and then pull your piece to bail your cowardly ass out?
Or do you strictly limit yourself to situations that guarantee your physical safety, IE flaming on the Internet?
I hope that is the case, so you don't wind up either killing someone or doing prison time, since you apparently have progeny to care for. And judging by your responses, your offspring will have a tough time surviving on their witts alone.
So flame away my boy! It doesn't hurt my feelings and maybe I can do my bit for society by keeping you safe and sound pounding away at your computer, fantasizing the day away.
Enjoy!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Uh, Nick.
You don't just "buy" it.
What was that about shooting your mouth off,...?
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Ruby Ridge = Rokjox Ridge
Go get em!
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"There WAS a reason the wolf was irradicated."
Sure was, it was eradicated outta fear!
I thought this thread was about guns in NP's?
Im not too woried about this rule change. There are already lots of guns in NP's, both legal and illegal. The ones we should be worried about are the ones that are still illegal, these are the ones that commit crimes, crimminals usually dont have registered guns or CCW's. People like Ron maybe chomping at the bit to shoot a would be robber, but I dont think his having a gun concealed on his person is realy going to affect any of us. In my perfect world Pistols in general would all be destroyed and disappear, but thats not gonna happen anytime soon. The next best thing is responsible owners, if they are responsible enough to own them they should be considered responsible enough to carry them.
Rock edit: "does Alaska qualify as "modern US"?" answer is no, their idea of game managment is to fly around and shoot predators from airplanes. Definatley not modern,and inhumane.
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apogee
climber
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jox- your spittle-spraying fear-based ravings are not doing much for making your case. As a matter of fact, I'd say you are reinforcing the impression that gun nuts are nuts, and they don't belong in our national parks. Not sure if that is your intention, but I do appreciate your indirect support of that position.
Edit:
Just noticed this quote of yours from the 'American Exceptionalism' thread:
"Most of all or luck in being half a world away from everybody else. There is nobody overhere to threaten us. Nice big oceans. Keeps us out of harms way."
Hmm. Ironic. Why are you so afraid?
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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You're making the classic mistake of confusing being ready with being afraid.
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nick d
Trad climber
nm
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Sorry Ron, you have to sit through a class as well! But apparently not much can disqualify anyone with the cash and an afternoon or two to spare.
Rox, I said America, and last time I checked we still had not annexed Canada. So, as I said, my statement was 100% correct. By the way, America does include Alaska, which according to you is overrun with packs of wolves waiting to attack. No wolf fatalities there, either.
Oh wait, the wolves are all exterminated, and so pose no danger. or was that running in huge packs killing everything that crosses them?
Your logic is of the non sequitor variety, actually, it's stretching the definition of logic to apply that word to your arguments, errr, rants.
And no, unlike yourself, I don't scare so easily. It must be tough living with so many bogeymen popping up from under every rock. Perhaps you could seek some pschyiatric help, oh scratch that. I just realized that would put you at great risk of being attacked by a dangerous wild animal when you went outside. Better play it safe and stay barricaded inside Club Namby Pamby. Be sure not to sit with your back to the door. Safety first!
Remember that statisticly the animal that poses the greatest danger to humans in North America (there, satisfied?) is the domestic dog. I think there are dozens of them just waiting for you in your neighborhood, right now! Don't go out alone, my man. You and your partner (or is that, imaginary friend?) can walk back to back and cover yourselves with interlocking fields of fire. Good luck, your going to need it. It's a jungle out there!
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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If your "ready" for somthing that means your preparing for something your scared of. The reason I hike into the backcountry here with a rifle is so im "ready" to defend myself if a bear attacks, the reason im ready to defend myself is because im fearful of a bear attacking me.
Most of our life is based on this concept, it feels good to break the mold, but to have no fear/readiness is ignorant.
"America does include Alaska, which according to you is overrun with packs of wolves waiting to attack. No wolf fatalities there, either."
Thats true, even in national parks in Alaska. I still carry a rifle though.
I blame White Fang for all this wolf hype.
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apogee
climber
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"...but to have no fear/readiness is ignorant."
Hmm. Most of the conventional wisdom I understand says that fear is bred through ignorance. Fortunately, since ignorance can be fixed (while stupid is forever), there might be a chance that those who have a fear of a wild animal attack in one of our National Parks (Denali NP excepted) can shed their ignorance by just educating themselves.
Nahh.. it'll never happen. It's easier to be uneducated and ignorant, ergo, fearful.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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It's simple, anybody who thinks they need a gun in a national park is living in a weird fantasy world of bear and wolf attacks that are really so rare as to be meaningless. Surfers along the California coast are much more likely to be eaten by sharks, though I rarely see one (surfer) with a speargun. In NPs you have a much better chance of death by lightening (which your "piece" may attract) or suffering from a fall or the most common of national park deaths drowning and car accident. What gun nuts will never understand is that freedom is a function of population. If you live miles from anyone then you should be able to have your Howitzer and your landmines or whatever, but in a state like California guns become just too dangerous for too many people. I remember a roadpatrolman in Yosemite telling the story of a guy who came into the park brandishing an M16. When the patrolman received a call he responded,"what the hell do you want me to do?" Opening the door to guns in the park is pointless and stupid because you're creating more danger for more folks and jeopardizing LE. Seems to be another brilliant decision of the Bush administration.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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just clicked in to see what was new about going armed in the parks, and all I found was RKJX is still afraid of the big bad wolf.
You aren't goin to die from a wolf, I promise!
Get on with your life!
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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When I was 19 I had a job as a forest ranger. I was sort of in charge of the campground hosts, one of whom was a younger guy (for hosts) that had a trailer full of all sorts of radios and guns. We had a campground bear who was getting coolers and food. One night the bear pushed the host too far and the guy let loose with a .45 from inside the middle of the campground! I'm sure he felt safe, though the campers may have felt otherwise.
He got fired the next day.
I am going surfing later in great white infested waters. I won't be armed, so hope for the best.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Please (you types with the gunz jones) feel free not to carry your guns around me, and my family. Thanks!
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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apogee, so you have no fear? or are you ignorant like the rest of us? get off that soap box.
I agree guns in NP's are bad. And I only shoot animals with my camera (see my AK pic threads!). Im scared of animals attacking me, but do I think its ever going to happen? No. Do I need the rifle? No. Does it up my chances for survival (not nessicarily from animal attack) if something goes wrong? Yes.
Also Alaska is much different than Yosemite (or Idaho for that matter), I would never dream of bringing a gun into yosemite, unless it's for work.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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"I am going surfing later in great white infested waters. I won't be armed, so hope for the best."
YOUR GONNA DIE!!!!!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Wth all the alarmist retoric and hyperbolie, this isn't about dangerous critters.
Many states have reciprocity agreements about CCW and LEO's packing in their respective juristictions.
This change just extends that to National Parks.
Get a life and find something worthwhile to obsess on.
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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^like posting on supertopo?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Hey, BT,
Were you related to or the same guy that worked at Nomads?
We always did a double take on the way thru the J Tree gate.
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