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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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Oct 28, 2018 - 08:35am PT
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Lynne: now that I've read through some of the answers more carefully, I wanted to add I think NutAgain! and Marlow (and others) might be on the right track when they suggest that the best answer to your question lies in the kinds of techniques that people do or do not apply.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 28, 2018 - 09:05am PT
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A friend , who when young , was given a job at GPIW and mentored on climbing by Yvon himself , now spends most of his spare time on-line reading anti-semitic web sites...He doesn't climb or do much of anything other than hating on other races...My friend is a good example of someone focusing on hate 24-7 and becoming consumed by the hate...What a way to spend your life...
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 28, 2018 - 09:10am PT
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Just see all the haters here who hate (hate) ...... LOL
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Oct 28, 2018 - 09:11am PT
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Also Barack Obama knows what Nelson Mandela knew...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
But the situation in America right now is more difficult than it was in the apartheid regime in South Africa back then...
Hillary Clinton didn't understand...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 28, 2018 - 12:01pm PT
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I thought liberals were supposed to be open-minded.
Perhaps you didn't hear about the time back in the 1940s when liberals were killing the f*#k out of fascists?
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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Oct 28, 2018 - 12:05pm PT
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Only because we had to.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 28, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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I would guess tribalism often plays a role. Thousands of years ago tribes would compete for the same scarce resources. It would be advantageous to be able to dehumanize the other tribe and be ruthless to ensure your tribe would survive. In the modern world of course it’s terrible but underlying innate behaviors may be partly to blame.
I read a good article recently about how many on the right are willing to believe the worst lies and conspiracy theories about the left and the dems because they can then justify the poor behaviors of Trump and those on the right, because they believe the other guys are worse. Add: many on the left do it as well, but as someone who considers himself philosophically a centrist I see it way more often on the right. There’s a large industry on the right geared towards it.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 28, 2018 - 02:37pm PT
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Then there are the hell-bound a$$ clowns who make money off fomenting hate in society. F*ck those people, right in the face...
Just see ..... more hate by those who hate (hate) .... LOL
There's no escape, you people are fools ......
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 28, 2018 - 05:16pm PT
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Hate is easy, Love is hard.
Hate requires no introspection or accountability.
Hate believes in winners and losers.
Hate blames everyone else.
Hate is selfish.
Hate feeds the ego.
Hate is how tRump is making America great.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 28, 2018 - 05:18pm PT
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Lynne, you are one of those delightful people who always see the good in people...unfortunately, the good in some people is present in quantities hard to discern.
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Rudder
Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
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Oct 28, 2018 - 06:24pm PT
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Most harm is caused by people who were not loved nor wanted, and are in a lot of psychological pain. Everything else is scenery. It's really that simple.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 28, 2018 - 11:34pm PT
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Written a month ago. Speaks about propaganda by right wing nuts and trumpeters. "This false narrative of leftist terrorism that would justify right-wing violence is now in place. The parallels with previous authoritarian movements are frightening. The lesson is that the lies and those who sell them must be opposed, before it is too late."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/09/28/right-wing-warnings-pose-far-more-danger-america-than-left-wing-violence/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.722c8b1763df
Just a couple days ago the right wing kook fantasy of the day drummed up a fake tale that the mail bombs were a "false flag." Someone I know on facebook and many of his fanatic friends immediately spouted the same nonsense. It's amazing how this BS spreads quickly across the whole alt-right media (trumpy's only source of information).
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Trump
climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 08:55am PT
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I think it’s got a lot to do with the stuff that goes on inside our heads, and the stuff that goes on outside our heads that affects the stuff that goes on inside our heads.
That stuff doesn’t always work the way we think it works, or the way we would prefer to think it works in ourselves.
So maybe after being exposed to human violence and hatred over a long period of time, we choose to still be stunned by it, rather than having learned to understand it, or expect it.
And maybe we choose to reject a belief in the determinism of human beliefs and behaviors because we just don’t like the idea, and prefer to believe in our own righteousness for our own righteous actions, and prefer to blame other people for their conditions and behaviors and beliefs in contrast to ours. Maybe we’re even socially driven to post about that contrast and inform other people of the righteousness of our own behaviors.
I think we develop those kinds of beliefs and behaviors because doing so is advantageous to us, and that believing those things is probably the best thing we can do, whether those beliefs are true or not.
But for other people, they do it slightly differently - the end product of their advantageous beliefs and behaviors looks a little different than yours, or mine (for similar reasons and ways to those that many folks in this thread have described). Maybe it’s driven by conditions or environment or some innate characteristic in the person(s) (or more likely the interaction between those two things), where those things are slightly different for all of us, but where there are some commonalities that we might be able to understand.
Why? Man that’s a big question, and I admire an honest effort to understand the answer in a way that doesn’t just confirm our own righteousness at other people’s expense, and might just lead us to beliefs about ourselves that we’d prefer not to believe.
For me, I spend a fair amount of time trying to just pay attention to the how, and am grateful (maybe like you?) that someone else is managing the why.
the good in some people is present in quantities hard to discern.
I’d respectfully disagree. If we’re looking for a problem, I’d say the problem is not about the quantity of good in other people, the problem is in our me-centric ways of defining and (not) discerning what’s good in other people.
TFPU!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 29, 2018 - 11:08am PT
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It is a difficult time for Americans, when the president has openly attended & addressed meetings of a "Hate Group."
From Newsweek 10/12/2017
Donald Trump To Speak At Hate Group's Annual Event, A First For A President
President Donald Trump will be the first sitting president to address the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit, which the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) described as a “rogues' gallery of the radical right.”
Trump will be the keynote speaker at Friday's event, which will also be attended by his former strategist, Steve Bannon. Other speakers include the founder of anti-Islam group ACT for America and former Trump strategist, Sebastian Gorka
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The anti-LGBTQ Family Research Council, labeled as a hate group by the SPLC, has hosted its annual summit since its inception in 2006.
"Values voters have waited eight years for a leader who puts America's mission first and respects the values that made America into a great nation,” the council's president Tony Perkins said in a statement reported by The Hill.
“Values voters are coming to our nation’s capital thankful to hear from a president who is fulfilling the promises that he campaigned on. Since the early days of the campaign, President Trump allied himself with values voters, promising to put an end to the eight years of relentless assault on the First Amendment,” he added.
No other sitting president has ever taken the decision to address the summit, although Trump has spoken before the conference on three previous occasions—even during his presidential election campaign.
Speaking of the president’s decision to attend this year’s 12th annual event, SPLC President Richard Cohen told The Independent: “By appearing at the Values Voter Summit, President Trump is lending the legitimacy of his office to a hate group that relentlessly demonizes LGBTQ people and works to deny them of their equal rights.”
"His appearance puts the lie to his campaign promise to be a friend to the LGBTQ community. Bigotry is not an American value, and our president should speak out against it,” he added.
Trump’s attacks on the LGBTQ community have not gone unnoticed, with the president rescinding Obama-era protection for transgender students that allow them to use the bathroom that matches the gender they identify with. Trump also suggested a ban on transgender troops in the military, and failed to recognize Pride Month or National Coming Out Day, unlike his predecessor.
The group organizing the summit has previously commented on homosexuality. “Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects.”
It is not clear what topic Trump will address during his speech, but the group’s overwhelmingly negative attitude towards the LGBTQ community has prompted questions about whether a president should be attending a day of glorified hate speech.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-speak-anti-lgbt-hate-groups-annual-event-first-president-683927?fbclid=IwAR0zkYDGTNfFk_C1a2EXA0k3t_uyXvZMYwBlAYHx-4tqm10LVERm8hSd0Eg
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Oct 29, 2018 - 11:36am PT
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xCon, you regularly say things like the copy/paste below from another thread, so I don't think you're a good rep for peace & love. Maybe you should just sit this one out?
@xCon say:
your not going to be given another chance to 'settle' your recidivists case
the smart money is on 'no mercy'
the few of your kind who survive will be scatters so far to the wind that by the time any make it back we will have so much free sh#t for everyone
any fight you've left in ya will sputter and die
and if there any downside to wiping you f*#kers out
we will live with it...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Oct 29, 2018 - 12:12pm PT
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last time I checked xcon was not running for president
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 29, 2018 - 12:52pm PT
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Very informative post above by XCon summarizing right wing violent extremists.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2018 - 01:44pm PT
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Kinda pathetic and more than a bit boring that most topics for debate here on ST end up being political. Most everyone gets it. No need for the constant repetition. Jess' saying.....unless something new can be shared.
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Aeriq
Social climber
Location: It's a MisterE
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Oct 29, 2018 - 02:07pm PT
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To find out a bit more about our natural-born tendencies, it's
Multiple Choice Question Time!
Q: When a human baby is birthed, he/she is immediately drawn to:
1. Sweet, sweet mother's milk
2. Hate
3. Love
4. Isolation
5. Physical contact
Pick any 3...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 29, 2018 - 04:02pm PT
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Yes it is pathetic,damn near as bad as the cop fighting for his life in UPMC.
Boring yes,Lynne, I do not know you,nor do I mean any disrespect, but,what did you really think would happen with this thread?
I do not hate much ,but, I hate this thread.
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