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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 24, 2017 - 04:37pm PT
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There's no point trying to have a productive discussion with Trump supporters. This thread would be better used to discuss what reasonable people can do to slow the damage Trump will do over the next 4 years.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 24, 2017 - 04:49pm PT
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OK. This is pretty interesting, so follow:
Some of you probably know who Alex Jones is. He has a sort of radio show/youtube presence.
He is the KING of fake news. He says that the moon landings were faked, 9-11 was a government conspiracy, chemtrails are a secret plan to alter our weather, flouridation of water is bad. He said that Obama was going to round up people and put them in FEMA camps. If it is weird, he has said it.
Remember the guy who shot his AR-15 in that pizza place which supposedly held Hillary Clinton pimping out kids? That was in response to an Alex Jones claim. Look it up.
Go to youtube and watch him. Look through it for some of his more outlandish claims.
Trump actually went on his show in December. According to Jones, Trump remains in contact with him.
So CNN is now Fake News. So is ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, AP, all of them. Yet Alex Jones is OK.
Trump is such a thin skinned narcissist. He can't take criticism. He never could. Just look back at his life. So a newsperson gets a leak from within the FBI saying that Flynn did indeed talk about sanctions when he talked with the Russian ambassador. Trump had known this for a month, but did nothing until the media caught on.
Trump has been stepping on his dick so badly that all he can do is try to criticize the messenger. His continuous claims of his massive victory (false-see wiki), the record crowds, 3 million illegal voters how made him lose the popular vote.
We have never seen such a self centered and thin skinned person in such high office. Even Jesse Ventura carried himself like a professional.
Trump just repeated his claim that the media is the enemy of the people.
You could not have made this up 6 months ago.
Just read the Wiki page on Trump's buddy Alex Jones:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)
Fox is right wing. MSNBC is left wing. CNN and the rest are in the middle. So are the best newspapers. They take getting it right seriously. Trump keeps getting caught up in something. The media reports and he can't take it. So now he is marginalizing the media.
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TradEddie
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Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 24, 2017 - 04:51pm PT
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You don't get to have it both ways. Use a consistent standard of evidence-evaluation.
Right back at you! If Obama had said that all gun manufacturers, or all gun owners were the enemy of the American people and that "we're going to do something about it", you'd have blown a gasket!
Trump took action today against unfavorable press, not just his typical empty talk. If you're not very concerned about the implications of that, you should be.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 24, 2017 - 04:54pm PT
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Does t come as a surprise to you that there are also Republicans, Independents and NoneOfYourBusinessers who are appalled at the current situation?
People being appalled or not is no standard. Being appalled blows hot and cold, and the fickle "majority" is really pretty irrelevant to the proper functioning of a republic.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 24, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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What he did today just shows what a thin skin he has. He doesn't behave professionally, and makes outrageous claims, like the one about his electoral college victory being the greatest since Reagan.
Nope: Obama beat it twice. Clinton twice. George H.W. Bush once.
In the middle of a press meeting with the prime minister of Israel, he got off tangent and started raving about his massive electoral college win. It finally took a reporter to set him straight, in that later, long meandering news conference.
He must have said it fifty times. He was that dumb.
I hope he gets his act together. I really do.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 24, 2017 - 04:57pm PT
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TGT2...Jefferson was trying to deny the news reporting on his relationship with his female slaves. The news was right and he was wrong/lying.
Some things never change.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:02pm PT
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Right back at you! If Obama had said that all gun manufacturers, or all gun owners were the enemy of the American people and that "we're going to do something about it", you'd have blown a gasket!
Not true.
Both Obama and Clinton talked radical gun control. In the end, Clinton made it a key part of her platform. I did not "blow a gasket". LOL
I did what you SHOULD do (since you're telling me what I SHOULD do or be): I said, "Well, that's not gonna fly," and I waited to see. I voted against her (even though that meant holding my nose to vote Trump). As expected, nothing came of it.
No gasket-blowing and no epic frothing like you libs now. Oh, and no rioting in the streets and violence against persons and property.
Trump took action today against unfavorable press, not just his typical empty talk. If you're not very concerned about the implications of that, you should be.
If you're telling me that I should be frothing at the mouth like you libs are, I'll politely decline.
The sky is not falling, and your statement about "took action" is pretty thin. Clinton took action when she set up an email server CLEARLY intended to circumvent records-keeping laws. You had nothing to say in opposition to that clearly nefarious act. You had nothing to say when she was selling our uranium to the Russians to enrich herself (ah, excuse me, her FOUNDATION, LOL). You turn a blind eye whenever it's liberal dirty-dealings and demand PROOF.
Now you've got to deal with "right wing" "dirty-dealings," and it's YOU who's blowing a gasket.
Excuse me if I don't care to follow you into that morass.
You were gonna HATE everything Trump said or did. That was a given. So, the frothing now is no surprise.
Carry on.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:15pm PT
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Nothing Trump is doing is surprising to me at all. It's completely in line with how he behaved during the election.
I was just surprised that enough people were gullible enough to vote for him. The deplorables I understand. There's enough self centered bigots to give him a reasonable chunk of the electorate. It's the people that should know better but allowed themselves to believe all the BS of the right wing media and Trump campaign, hold their noses and vote for him.
Thankfully our systems are setup with checks and balances and separation of powers (freedom of the press is one of these checks and this is what Trump is trying to erode) and Trump is fairly incompetent so that should limit the damage he does in terms of normal everyday governance.
What worries me is if the sh#t hits the fan. e.g. an armed conflict with Iran, North Korea, Russia, etc. I'm not sure of the limits of his narcissism and sociopathy but I could see him really screwing things up if something happens where we need a real leader.
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WBraun
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:21pm PT
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What worries me is if the sh#t hits the fan.
The sh!t has been hitting the fan for 40 years now and hasn't let up and you clowns are now aware of the term "Sh!t hitting the fan".
Politards are idiots ......
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
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Out Of Bed
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:24pm PT
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I would like to hear what "fear" has to say?
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Psilocyborg
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:32pm PT
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Why does anyone trust the media?
The tide turned on 9/11. This was the beginning of the end for progressive thought in America. I don't think it was planned, it was just the way the cookie crumbled. Now liberal and conservative racism and bigotry is perfectly acceptable. Liberals used to be progressive, and now are regressing.
The internet has made people intellectually lazy, and no one thinks rationally any more. They do not question their partisan media outlets, or their government officials. Blind faith.
I was all for "Obama Care". I thought wow this is really something, probably one of the most important thing that has been done in my lifetime. It is a total f*#king scam. But no liberal in their right mind will even question it (or not enough to matter).
The media is not the enemy of americans, republicans, democrats, and liberal and conservative think tanks are our enemy. THEY are the rich
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WBraun
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
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Psilocyborg nails it ......
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
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allowed themselves to believe all the BS of the right wing media and Trump campaign, hold their noses and vote for him.
You don't realize that your sentence is internally inconsistent.
People like me didn't AT ALL "believe all the BS of the right wing media," and we didn't vote for him for ANY other reason than that you libs couldn't see your way clear to put up ANY other candidate than Clinton.
Given the horrors of Trump, give me Sanders as an alternative. Give me Warren. Give me (gaggg) Biden. Give me just about any warm body.
But noooo... you were committed to the dem that COULD NOT LOSE (but who then did), because YOU were so convinced that her corruption could be lightly overlooked by the half of this nation that does not turn a blind eye to it like you.
I've said before, and I'll repeat it until you finally get it. YOU wanted Clinton, and YOU got Trump. YOU produced this state of affairs because you were convinced that you could only WIN the zero-sum game. So, you believed that you didn't need to dialog and compromise. These very threads pre-election were endless evidences of your browbeating, name-calling, and general self-assured arrogance. And you got Trump.
This was your election to lose! And you lost it.
And you still insist that everybody else was stupid in some way.
That's fine. Just keep thinking that way and arguing as you do on threads like this one. You just assure future losses, which is fine by me, because I'm tired of liberal FORCE.
For my part, if Gorsuch is confirmed, Trump will have accomplished all I could hope for. Impeach Trump as you wish immediately after that result.
If Trump ends up having the chance to replace Ginsburg with somebody else like Gorsuch, so much the better. Then, certainly, impeach Trump if you can get the votes to do it.
With even one justice like Gorsuch on the court, the left's increasing rampage will have been dramatically slowed or halted. Good enough for me.
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:47pm PT
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I've been out this afternoon and noticed a few observations regarding my initial comment:
Fat dadAlso, a vote for Trump was not a vote against the 1%. Again, incredibly naive. Try as he did to portray himself as a friend to the working man, this is a guy who has gotten to where he is by stepping on people, pure and simple. His only care is his own advancement.Quote Here
Fat, you may be right about Trump. As I said, I am not a Trump supporter. You missed my point however. Many who voted for Trump thought they were voting against 1% rule.
As an example of the CNN coverage of Trump, look at the endless anti Russian material they are pushing. This even predated the election with the coverage of the leaked/hacked DNC emails. Both CNN and Hillary constantly railed against Russian meddling in our political process. Yet, no one has disputed the content of these emails. The hypocrisy here is astounding. It is as if we would never interfere in the affairs of another country. This is true only if you want to ignore Iran, Honduras, Guatemala, Chile, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.
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WBraun
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Feb 24, 2017 - 05:50pm PT
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Eric Beck nails it .....
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DanaB
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CT
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Feb 24, 2017 - 06:11pm PT
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See? The game you're playing is EASY. You think that drive-by quips and "cleverness" (falsely so called) equates to argument and discussion. These threads are all the same: When confronted with their own inconsistencies, libs always devolve into Kindergarten behaviors, including name-calling and lame jibes.
What happened to you? You don't make sense anymore.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Feb 24, 2017 - 06:12pm PT
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DanaB.......................!
Here ya go ! Go climb my route !
then come back and say how hard it is. .,. ,
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 24, 2017 - 06:14pm PT
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You are basing your opinions on the belief that the media is somehow impartial or non partisan. Yes, like Fox News.
The media has been lying and misleading people forever.
That is up to the people to determine, not the POTUS.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 24, 2017 - 06:16pm PT
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What happened to you? You don't make sense anymore.
Yeah, that happens when, for effect, I temporarily mirror how certain people here "argue."
My point is that "clever" little quips that demean others are not useful dialog, and it's EASY to play that game, which is why so many here play it.
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