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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Feb 20, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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The Appointment of Dr Fink and his Tribulation Show
He'll appoint a surgeon General
To be his new chief of staff
O'er the armies of our lord
With instruments of torture
Water boarding left him bored
His name is Dr Fink
He works best when he drinks
You'll be red and white and blue
When he gets through with you
And the president will praise him
For all that he would do
To keep our country safe
He'll extract what he needs
And sue your family for the bill
Interrogation isn't pretty
And torture isn't cheap
A great leader's always wise
But something you won't witness
When you've met with your demise
And he'll praise on our behalf
His new warrior and chief
Dr Fink will take the blame
Much to our relief
"Dr Fink Dr Fink
You can have another drink
Dr Fink Dr Fink
Please don't tell me what you think
Dr Fink Dr Fink
What is that there in the sink?
Dr Fink Dr Fink
They tell me that you stink!"
A physician's never told
When the outcome was foretold
But a prognosticator knows
That's the way it always goes
With torture and the rest
And every means put to the test
A tad uncivilized at best
Welcome to the Wild West
Only he understands the constitution
Only he knows the definition
Of who's eligible to run and be elected
After all our private thoughts have been inspected
He has rightfully proclaimed his divine qualification
And a true believer as per '2' Corinthians
Let the Pope regret his decision not to anoint him
And let ISIS overrun the Vatican
With walls to be built
With wars to win
Our safety to insure
And American greatness to restore
Praise him!
Praise him!
Praise him!
And Vise Lady Sara
Of immaculate misconception
Praise them!
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 12:49pm PT
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The phone is guarded by encryption.
Do any of us [outsiders] know with any certainty that there is no way around this? You seem to have taken a big bite off the Apple.
Making something work a certain way [like 3 tries] is different than fooling the machine in other ways so it doesn't see 3 tries [the back door].
We nor apple can say there is no way around the current 3 try limit.
Apparently there have been hackers that beat the unhackable system and Apple software mechanics.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2016 - 01:22pm PT
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It seems the gents that wrote that report don't know the hand that feeds.
I believe that Hal Abelson, the lead author, is a member of JASON. I strongly suspect that Abelson knows precisely what he's doing.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 20, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
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I wish y'all were more consistent. One day yer all begging the gubmint to
come down hard on the Malheur Malcontents and the next day yer telling 'em
to back off from iPhone Malcontents. You want big gubmint, or knott?
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2016 - 01:35pm PT
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Explain how that is inconsistent, Reilly.
I know it's challenging for you, but try to do it with some amount of precision.
A starting point: it is not difficult to both support an active government, and to say that that government should not have unlimited powers. In fact, that balance is the PRECISE reason that the founders inserted the Bill of Rights into the Constitution and indeed their precise reason for drafting the Constitution in the first place.
The dangers of not striking a balance here are vividly illustrated by authoritarian dystopias like Maoist China or communist East Germany or the Shah's Iran or Hitler's Germany on the one hand, and lawless anarchies like Somalia on the other.
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Jeremy B.
climber
Northern California
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Feb 20, 2016 - 01:48pm PT
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How can something be both hard to detect and at the same time stick [out] like a sore thumb?
The number of FBI agents is not that large. The number of agents working on counterterrorism is a small fraction of that.
Dingus, your point about the X-tries limit is valid. That this question is before the court means Apple didn't make the design as secure as they could (and I suspect it's been corrected in current models).
To use a crude analogy, the software is the gatekeeper in a guard shack outside a bunker. You tell the gatekeeper the password, he radios it in, and another guy inside (representing the crypto chip hardware) opens the gate if it's correct. The flaw is that it should be the job of the guy inside to hit the self-destruct after X tries, rather than the job of the guy outside. Apple likely assumed the guard shack was secure enough for most purposes at the time. (Hey, it seems to have stymied the FBI at least.)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2016 - 01:56pm PT
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We get out of manipulating the Middle East, and pretty soon much of the problem for US will go away.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 02:07pm PT
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spiny Norman,
I read the long report. 2 points of admission stand out:
Lawmakers should not risk the real economic, geopolitical, and strategic benefits of an open and secure Internet
for law enforcement gains that are at best minor and tactical.
It is no surprise that this report has ended with more questions than answers, as the requirements for exceptional access are still vague. If law enforcement wishes to prioritize exceptional access, we suggest that they need to provide evidence to document their requirements and then develop genuine, detailed specifications for what they expect exceptional access mechanisms to do.
They do not seem to be against such interception but ask how do we want or would do it to preserve global security. In other words they seem to have no problem with the voice interception in the name of terrorism as to be a violation of the rights of privacy.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
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madbolter1,
what happens here?
and pretty soon much of the problem for US will go away.
Is Trump getting elected?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 20, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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apple will loose.. government is powerful
next thing the government will go after the PlayStations
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Feb 20, 2016 - 02:28pm PT
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I've had it with Apple
Their products are not user friendly. Their software is counter-intuitive and using it is like playing with a digital puzzle. Customer service? What customer service? I cannot understand why the Apple products are so popular.
Now this.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2016 - 02:41pm PT
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Is Trump getting elected?
LOL... who knows?
But our many decades of manipulation there in the ceaseless quest for empire-building, control, and oil has produced the hatred of us that would otherwise not exist. Now, our government wants to invade EVERY DETAIL of our lives "to keep us safe" from a threat that IT caused.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 20, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
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Even if cracking this phone would only affect this phone, Apple has already said they don't feel like doing it. That should be it. They don't feel like doing it. The government should leave them alone at that point.
Like I said before, EXACTLY the same reasoning as the Cowliphate.
Doesn't matter that a court has ordered this, we don't feel like doing it. End of discussion.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2016 - 03:14pm PT
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Up to this point Apple had by all accounts complied with all warrants issued.
Apple has not violated any laws at this point. They have refused to comply with just a single court order, but so far they have not been placed in contempt of court. That may yet happen. We will see how Apple then responds.
In other words, the legal fight has not yet played out. And in that way, this battle is very much different from the "cowliphate" — where there were already multiple felony convictions and court orders that were being defied.
Try to show the slightest bit of patience before you draw such conclusions.
And no, the discussion is not at an end simply because you so assert. Though you are welcome to walk away at any time.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
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spiny N,
that was a good description of what is involved and not yet known.
and will Apple come forth and say, "the task is unduly burdensome". This story has yet to unfold even for the facetious? Ken M.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 20, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
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Apparently within 24 hours after the phone was in the fed's hands someone decided to change the phone's passcode - big mistake.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Feb 20, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
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I've given up chiming in on political threads for Lent. ;>) But--this "request" by the FBI is in violation of the 4th Amendment in the Bill of Rights. I'm all for Apple, in this instance.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 20, 2016 - 04:26pm PT
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Healyje, the fbi asked the SB health department (owners of the phone) to reset the password of the iCloud account associated with the phone, which it did. This worked and they got access to the iCloud account.
But it prevented the phone from doing any more automatic iCloud backups, which is where we are now.
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