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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 20, 2016 - 04:12am PT
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Apple is so proud of their stealth technology but so unwilling to contribute to unified National Security efforts against terrorism. Would a big knock at home change their minds?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 20, 2016 - 05:50am PT
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Of course, that's how government coercion works. It will indeed be interesting to see what amount of "special" treatment Apple receives going forward.
I wonder how that zoning application is going up there in Cupertino (or Sunnyvale?)
Before we get all ball cuppy about Apple, let's not forget that they handed over, immediately, everything that was on their cloud to the Feds faster than a cat lapping chain lightning.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 20, 2016 - 05:58am PT
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The FBI request, is in itself, an act of terrorism.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 06:29am PT
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[The ... request], is in itself, an act of terrorism.
Jay, I Don't see it?
I think the stalling by Apple is a form of utilizing free advertising--they are getting press.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Feb 20, 2016 - 06:59am PT
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nope.
and Jay's spot-on.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:12am PT
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You can't give the government the keys to the "back door" one time only.
This is a tough call but I side with Apple and other tech companies that sell their product based on a guarantee of privacy.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:13am PT
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You live in a country where every phone call is recorded by your government and most internet traffic as well and somehow you think you are free and that Apple and terrorists are the problem? You think the FBI needs more tools and cannot do the job it has done the normal way for decades?
Ancient strategies still work.. Take advantage of and over hype an emergency to get the people to give up their freedom or do other things like go to war against their best interests.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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nauture,
for someone that is baked all the time I not sure you would understand the thread but I do see that living in Colorado you no longer see a need for your particular privacy.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:29am PT
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Apple is making the right call here.
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D'Wolf
climber
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:30am PT
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Don't know that it's about unlocking "the" iPhone: these phones all run on basically the same OS - develop the software/technology/ability to unlock one and you've unlocked them all. Once that genie's out of the bottle, there's no putting it back. How do we keep that technology safe and prevent breaching everyone's privacy?
Handcuffing our government is a double-edged sword that allows all of us the freedom to pursue our dreams, nefarious or otherwise.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:39am PT
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It's always surprising to me when the same people who cannot stand the idea of gov't intrusion into their lives will easily and willingly give up their personal freedom from gov't intrusion into their life when they are afraid of something.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:41am PT
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The Truth is here: http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
Tim Cook is the patriot.
If the FBI wants to do something effective, they should check the San Bernardino shooters' medicine cabinet.
http://www.cchrint.org/2015/11/24/prescription-terrorism/
The media is not broadcasting clear info on this matter. The job is to shock you into paying attention so they can deliver ears and eyes to advertisers.
There are a few in power who would like to just put everyone in a straight jacket so we are all nice and safe. Don't be a sucker.
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D'Wolf
climber
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:42am PT
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Climbski2 makes a good point: I thought all of our phone conversations were recorded by the NSA; can't they just listen to the conversations that took place over that phone during the timeframe in question?
Maybe they don't really record everything. Maybe they can't really record everything? People believe these things but then times like this make it appear that maybe we haven't been told the whole truth. Or have we?
These are the disjointed puzzle pieces that we all seem to miss.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:47am PT
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The government can seize things. They have that legitimate power.
But the government can't make you do something you would rather not do, if you've not broken any laws.
Jaybro is correct. What the government is doing - attempting to coerce Apple, in public - is a terrorist threat of its own.
Even if cracking this phone would only affect this phone, Apple has already said they don't feel like doing it. That should be it. They don't feel like doing it. The government should leave them alone at that point.
All the cops had to do to stop all this before it even got started was to simply enforce the existing laws. Redlands Police drove past Farook & Wife's condo EVERY DAY, dozens of times, and all they had to do was knock on their door once to make two felony arrests. But no. They couldn't trouble themselves to do a damn thing until 14 people were DEAD.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 20, 2016 - 07:53am PT
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Maybe they don't really record everything. Maybe they can't really record everything?
Maybe the FBI is just pissed off they cant do anything they want and they see this as an opportunity to get the public on their side. Maybe it has nothing to do with any likely useful info to be found.
FBI has been bitching and moaning and saying encryption tools in public hands are a menace for a couple years at least. This story was inevitable and predicted.
ie..Now they finally got ahold of some dead two bit dipshit terrorists who did something with encryption and the FBI is milking it for all it is worth.
Apple will lose this fight this time because this particular phone model is breakable. But they are laying the groundwork for unbreakable encryption. They are also making it as difficult as possible so that the FBI does not feel it is worth fighting over every time it wants something.
For one of the very few times ever to a company I do not really like... Thank-you Apple.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 20, 2016 - 08:06am PT
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climbski2 the only guy who has it right.
If you know the real full story of the San Bern psyops.
Americans are so stoopid and continually 0wned ......
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Feb 20, 2016 - 08:12am PT
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Whatever information gleaned from these murderer's iphone(s) is not going to put a dent in the ongoing fight against islamic jihad.
By not sharing this technology (which already exists), apple is serving the public in a way the government is supposed to.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 20, 2016 - 08:22am PT
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apogee-
I understand your statement but it's similar to saying that you are patently again war.
Fine, I'm against war and government intrusion as well. Our country enjoyed a healthy pacifist tradition- until Hitler was marching towards world domination.
I still think the bigger threat to our personal freedoms would come from within, such as Donald or Cruz having the NSA at their disposal. Historically, Nixon with the Plumbers and attempting to fire the Attorney General rates up there as one of the most perilous threats to our democracy.
I have SEAL and intel buddies who've hunted Jihadist in the middle East and Africa. They're putting it on the line so we can debate this crap, freely over a cup of coffee. They need all the help they can get.
When or will this reach proportions of WW2 in terms of national anxiety and the gloves really come off? It may be inevitable.
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