Vigilante censor, Mark Winans, seeks to shut down Forum

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apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 27, 2015 - 03:45pm PT

"Taking time out of life to personally contact a forum moderator/owner about a poster who you don't agree with politically...on a climbing forum, is the ultimate loser move."

FAKT.

little Z

Trad climber

un cafetal en Naranjo

Jul 27, 2015 - 03:46pm PT

Hey Marky yer a big fat pussy !!!

Hey Marky yer a big fat dick !!!

(just want to show those advertisers that we don't discriminate here on the ST forum)

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Jul 27, 2015 - 04:10pm PT

Oh wow I'm sorry cmac that's such a headache, but you know how humans are. Too bad this Mark guy doesn't realize just how like Ron he's behaving in his insular mental fiefdom.

This forum continues to be so entertaining it's why I come to the site :-) Some people just take it too seriously. I'm sorry - I don't know - I wish you (cmac) the best.

Norton

Social climber

Jul 27, 2015 - 04:31pm PT

It's probably that anonymous coward dipshit crankpot cranknutcase crankloon who's always the biggest whiny bitch here .....

John Duffield

Mountain climber

New York

Jul 27, 2015 - 04:31pm PT

I'm told, he is over at AR-15.com also, but I don't have an account there and can't see it.

Bob D'A

Trad climber

Taos, NM

Jul 27, 2015 - 04:54pm PT

Werner..you have some weird obsession going on Crankster. Let it go. it is kind of creepy.

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Jul 27, 2015 - 04:57pm PT

Having held onto my own unhealthy grudges, I'd say the idea that Mark would get this worked up over it without being a forum member with some previous unhealthy interactions in the forum is pretty unlikely, and it stands to reason (my reason anyway :-) that cmac pretty much knows who it is, at least as far as IP addresses and user ids go.

As kind of an unhealthy obsessive myself, I guess I'd just say to Mark that you're not gonna get what it is that you really want this way. Honestly I think you're just gonna dig yourself further into an unhealthy hole, and you'd be much better served figuring out what it is that you're really trying to get from doing this - holding onto this unhealthy grudge and expressing it in this antisocial way - and then put yourself on a path to getting whatever it is that you're really after. With all due respect, I think that the path that you're on is just going to hurt all of us.

Anyway, wishing us all well.

survival

Big Wall climber

Terrapin Station

Jul 27, 2015 - 04:59pm PT

I like how more avatars are turning into ducks...HA!

Larry Nelson

Social climber

Jul 27, 2015 - 05:11pm PT

To me, these two sentiments sum it up

JEleazarian wrote:
To me the problem isn't the moderation, it's the intolerant readers.

plund wrote:
If you disagree, then disagree! If disgusted, then move along.

Chris,
Sorry you have to wade through this mess.
FWIW: I wouldn't change anything.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Jul 27, 2015 - 05:11pm PT

Chris, real sorry you're having to deal with this.

Free speech is a fundamental liberal principle.
Shame on you, Mr. Winans. :(

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Jul 27, 2015 - 05:18pm PT

Censorship has been a tool used since the beginnings of civilization to restrain the free exchange of ideas.
I am nearly always opposed to the ideas expressed by Ron, TGT et al and they, likely, nearly always disagree with me. I live in a country where I can express my ideas freely and that means that those with contrasting views from mine have the same right.
Mr. Winans is obviously, like me, left of center. He should read some recent history of totalitarian regimes using censorship to extinguish progressive ideas in their citizenry.
Winans states that he doesn't participate in the forum....perhaps he should save his misplaced energy for arenas of more personal interest.

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Jul 27, 2015 - 05:25pm PT

Yeah, I missed the booting &/or departure, too. What's the whole story behind Kos?

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Jul 27, 2015 - 06:08pm PT

"Like I said yesterday, for every Ron Anderson comment I am sending a boycott letter to one of your advertisers. Today it was Century Link for the first one. He's got several more comments(Surprise!), so I will need to send out several more boycott letters to your advertisers. Attached please find my letter to your sponsors. July 23, 2015
Denver,CO

Dear Sirs and Madams-
I would like you to know that you are advertising on a website whose members promote violence against other Americans. The level of hatred expressed on this site against Latinos and Muslims specifically is absolutely unacceptable in the United States of America. Specifically, I am talking about www.supertopo.com and its forum. While I of course believe in free speech in our great nation, I see no reason why a commercial platform needs to give its members a vehicle to express what can only be described as disgusting hate speech. Let them get their own website if they want to profess their constant hatred of fellow American citizens. You may not know this, but www.supertopo.com is a website that is oriented towards rock climbers in general, and rock climbers with a connection to Yosemite National Park in particular. It is very influential among a small but hardcore group of outdoor enthusiasts. Please be aware that as long as you continue to advertise onwww.supertopo.com, I will boycott your products and services, and will ask all my friends and acquaintances who rock-climb, run, kayak, mountaineer, hike, bike, backpack to join me in boycotting your company, and will ask them to ask all of their friends in joining me. Thank you for your consideration.
Mark Winans
Denver, CO"

Wow, talk about being butt hurt. Mr. Mark Winans or whoever you are have a backbone. Let things go. Let insults and rudeness and disagreeable comments go. Let it roll off like water on a ducks back. This is the USA and we have freedom of speech. Not everyone is gonna agree, some people aren't going to see things your way. Some may offend. It's life. Get over it.

I have to say I really really appreciate Chris Mac and the opportunity he has created with the online Supertopo climbing community via the forum, and our virtual campfire "The Supertaco." The history here on ST is extrodinary and the online community of very well known and respected climbers and pioneers in our community of brothers and sisters of the rope is at times unbelievable. What an opportunity to talk to these incredible people for which we admire for their incredible accomplishments in outdoor adventure sports.

Man, if anyone has the right to whine and complain about slander and being called every name under the Sun its me. Lol. I'm ok with it. I let it go. I have a backbone. I have self respect. I don't try to give back negativity to the offenders. I try to live by "The Golden Rule." As a fellow climber, back country skier, paraglider pilot, and a Messianic Jew/Gentile I hope I contribute to the community here at ST. Now I know I have a knack for bringing out the controversial topics, but can't we all agree to reason together in peace? Some of the OT threads are the best and most interesting and get everyone involved and worked up. But hey it's what's real life is all about. The climbing and related adventure sports that we all do and love is the mainstay continual backdrop here on ST and a way we all relate. The rest is the OT spice.

Why try to bring down such an open community? It seems that ST has policed itself when it's really needed. Why try to censore the free speech of others? That's what nations do that don't have the Constitution and the liberty we have here in the U.S. They hold down their people by taking away their freedoms. Don't let it happen. Push back.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Jul 27, 2015 - 06:15pm PT

Wow Klimmer! Did you ever nail it.

Mark Sensenbach

climber

Jul 27, 2015 - 06:16pm PT

I must say I really appreciate this forum.. As in all you can focus on the negative or focus on the positive. Try to stay positive or just move on down the road.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Jul 27, 2015 - 06:17pm PT

The Kos thing crossed my mind, but he seemed like a pretty down to earth dude except for that one f*#k up. Hopefully everything is cool in his personal life and if this is him this isn't a sign of something bigger goin on : /

I agree that if anyone takes sh#t without whining its Klimmer. I try to be nice to the guy and hopefully I have been because besides being a little nuts (who isn't??) he seems a pretty reasonable and friendly guy.