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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Mar 27, 2015 - 07:31am PT
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this thread should be titled "homicide by airbus"
the pilot may have been mentally ill, but nothing justifies killing 150 innocent people...manually locking the door, setting the autopilot, and remaining unfazed by the screaming of the passengers shows this was a cold-hearted act
condolences to the families
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 27, 2015 - 07:34am PT
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Bookworm.
The pilot didn't do this.
Are you sure you can read and or hear the news .........?
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2015 - 07:41am PT
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Psych drugs on board
Aren't these drugs also known to be used in mind control?
Project MKUltra — sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program — was the code name given to an illegal and clandestine program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2015 - 08:19am PT
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Agreed wtf. There are lot of people on these drugs and I would assume more pilots than we think.
Edit where did that come from zbrown??
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Mar 27, 2015 - 08:19am PT
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A letter found in a waste bin in Andreas Lubitz's apartment indicated he "was declared by a medical doctor unfit to work,"
Really. Grossly unfit?
New rules go into effect immediately. Horses not permitted to leave the barn unless specified conditions are met. Will authorization be determined by biometric data or medical review (or both)?
It will now be a requirement for there to be two authorized people in the cockpit at all times
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Mar 27, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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Ah the old days when they had four in the cockpit. Pilot, Co-Pilot, Navigator and Flight Engineer. Alas, the newer planes have two in the cockpit and fewer engines and carry more people and are cheaper to run so the airlines can make more money and are forever crowded and they won't let you sleep on the floor anymore and...........
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:42am PT
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Correction: It was a note from a doctor authorizing him to take the day off.
But the 'unfit for work' misquote did pack more drama.
innernutz!
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Mar 27, 2015 - 11:57am PT
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Only in Europe or East Jibip do they put 600 hour n00bs in the right seat of
large planes. Clearly, being a n00b had nothing to do with this but a few
more years flying regionals might have brought out his unwholesome qualities
before he got a chance to take 150 people down with him. Also, only in
Europe would a captain leave the cockpit on such a short flight. In this
country if a pilot has to leave the cockpit then a male flight attendant is
supposed to enter the cockpit to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
In this country the captain would be terminated immediately for doing so
except when the aircraft is established at cruise altitude for an extended period.
Furthermore, in this country the pilots are forbidden to even talk about
anything not directly related to the safe conduct of the flight during any
phase of the flight other than during cruise.
Wild guess: somehow involved with aviation but has spent very little or no time on the flight deck of a commercial aircraft
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Mar 27, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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Although I work for Airbus' largest competitor (and I prefer to think of them as OUR competitor) I do know how the design of the cockpit walls and door work. The door is bulletproof. The walls cannot be broken through with any fire extinguisher, beverage cart, or similar tool. In fact, if you had a 4 foot long crowbar, you still would not be in that cockpit.
Sorry to disallusion any of you thinking that the pilot wasn't trying hard enough.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Mar 27, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
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Should we put more people in the cockpit or no people in the cockpit?
Planes have only become safer (on average) with automation, even if the failure of automated system has played a role in the several individual accidents.
I would guess that, eventually, we'll opt for the latter, as we will for cars.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2015 - 12:29pm PT
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Canyoncat- thank you for that relevant piece of info !
Over time the automation will expand to handle in-flight failures and emergencies, and as the safety record improves, pilots will gradually be squeezed from the cockpit altogether. The dynamic has become inevitable. There will still be accidents, but at some point we will have only the machines to blame.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2014/10/air-france-flight-447-crash
Phyl posted this upthread.
This article also talks about Guido's point and how Airbus killed the flight engineer position..
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 27, 2015 - 02:15pm PT
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My bet is that they finger this as another example of how we marginalize concerns over mental illness.
It is not something most people are comfortable talking about and until we can culturally remove the stigma tragedies like this and Sandy Hook and so many others will persist.
This is the price. But no doubt protocols will likely be changed soon though.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 27, 2015 - 02:38pm PT
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Werner is it possible for you to merely say who was on the flight or what pertinent info the manual has?
Must you always play the omniscient mystic?
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Mar 27, 2015 - 02:39pm PT
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Werner is it possible for you to merely say who was on the flight or what pertinent info the manual has?
Must you always play the omniscient mystic?
I didn't want to tell you like this but
The Buddha did it
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 27, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
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Psychotropic drugs seem like likely cause as the millions of untreated clinically depressed people do not go on to murder 140 innocent babies, women, and men. I wonder if the psychiatrists in Germany are possibly worse than the bulk of that "profession" over here that are simply legal drug pushers.
Poor kid, he likely had no idea what was making him worse.
But like every other mass murder with these little beauties as the likely culprit, it will disappear down the memory hole. There are few ways to politically spin "jet violence". If you still have TV, count how many mind altering med ads you see today.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 27, 2015 - 08:52pm PT
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People overreact to truly unique crazy situations.. planes are not falling out of the sky from crazy pilots.. Pilots as a general rule have their crap together better than most folks.
Agree with Ron..
Some things are not worth the money or time worrying too much about..
Death by crazy pilot is right down there with getting a surfboard through my windshield on list of things to worry about.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 27, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
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The secret to this mystery is in the A230 door manual.
A very rare person will see thru the illusion that was made when they study it.
The mystery was already presented and wiped and scrubbed with even the server hacked.
Us Americans will just remain the spoon fed zombie sheep ....
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Mar 27, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
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The secret to this mystery is in the A230 door manual.
A very rare person will see thru the illusion that was made when they study it.
The mystery was already presented and wiped and scrubbed with even the server hacked.
Us Americans will just remain the spoon fed zombie sheep ....
Totally agree!!! 'bout fukkin' time someone said it!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 27, 2015 - 09:05pm PT
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Kick hard on the small escape panel? Otherwise I don't see much of a weakness (which it might not be) since it can be locked for a selectable 5 to 20 minutes from the inside with no outside override.
Depressurize the plane or knock out the whole electrical system seem like poor/unworkable options.
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