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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Soylent Green is your (former) neighbors!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Bruce Morris...That's an awesome idea...
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Create a Craiglist ad for a moving on Saturday morning. Fill the ad with awesome stuff that is sure to draw crowds. In the ad, post "Sale starts bright and early at 6am - Please do NOT come come before then." Also something about ringing the doorbell when they arrive.
KIDDING...
I know if it was me, I would let the landlord know about the problem. I would not approach them myself because it's most likely they would not respond well, and I know that I don't respond well to others who don't respond well. The problem would only get worse.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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I haven't read everyone ideas but here's my (maybe lame) opinion
Go talk to them. Be as nice as possible and ask (not demand) if they can keep it down for everyone's sake. If they leave trash in the road go pick it up and wish them a good morning while you're at it. If they keep being loud offer to mow their lawn while you're out mowing yours.
When people get pulled they tend to pull back, I've found that if you just let people walk all over you, smile, and keep on with your life it takes away the stress. Not really a natural response and sometimes people keep being a**holes, but life seems easier when I go that route.
That being said, I've yelled at my fair share of morons too, you can always try that.
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FrankZappa
Trad climber
Hankster's crew
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Do nothing.
Cops=bad idea.
Approaching them=waste of time.
Approaching landlord=waste of time(unless you own your home and already have a relationship with the owner of their home).
Sorry, it sucks.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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What would Billy Jack do..?
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2014 - 01:11am PT
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Thanks once again for the input guys , it was cathartic to read everybody's ideas , and how people have been in similar situations with neighbors.
I'm just going to go over and introduce myself . I'm not even going to mention noise or trash or request anything . We both have big 4x4 trucks so maybe start a little small talk about trucks or something ... Who knows .
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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It was very cathartic reading about this situation--the main reason I haven't lived in town for nearly 20 years or so...
Seems to me you're stuck in a "lose-lose" situation. Some people are just a$$holes and maybe the best option is moving? Talking to them has a remote chance of success. Landlord is also an option. Final option is the cops. Try things in that order...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Talking to them has a remote chance of success. Landlord is also an option. Final option is the cops."
Yep, that's the best strategy. Don't hold your breath about getting results from the personal touch, though, and be careful doing it- getting another neighbor or two involved probably isn't a bad idea, either. If/when it doesn't work, don't hesitate to go to the next levels, but be sure it's done anonymously.
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steve shea
climber
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This is an interesting thread. I have some rentals and manage them myself. We are in a tourist/resort town so it is pretty easy to fill my places. I do not lease. We start by going month to month. I read them the riot act before they move in. Large damage deposit, no pets, two cars, two people, clearly marked parking. A limit on guests and how long they can stay. Utility responsibility, I cover snowplowing which is big and the dumpster.
With no lease they know going in this is a two way street. No renters rights BS. No cops. They know it is a business relationship nothing more. They cannot disturb the hood. They get a nice place for a below market rent with plowing and dumpster. In 20 yrs of renting I have had very few incidents and mostly mutual respect for the situation. They get used to not having a lease once they realize I keep my word. I have tenants now going on six years with no lease. Also I think I have good screening skills. We rent with civility and it seems to work even with skid ski bums like I used to be. We also do seasonal on a handshake with draconian rules and huge deposit.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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The way I see it....if you go over there to talk with them and they blow you off, and then later call the cops or talk to the landlord, they'll know it was YOU who called the cops.
Call the cops the first time and no one will ever know it was you.
I choose to stay out of drama and just let the cops deal with it. If they don't respect their neighbors already, slim chances they'll respect your concerns.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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you could always email them, call them morons, and cut and paste a few links to prove your point.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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I like the Israeli Final Solution - just bulldoze. It takes a certain will. Not everyone has it.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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With no lease they know going in this is a two way street. Actually, with no lease, a lease is implied.
It may vary from state to state, but I can almost assure you the net is the same everywhere - they have legal possession of your property just as they would with a written lease - except you didn't get to write the rules!
I'd write a lease.
A real ahole could bar you from the property. You'd be at the mercy of a judge in trying to get rid of them.
However, your general renting philosophy is sound and I share it - slightly below market rent, nicer place than a loser can afford to live in, reel in the good tenants and treat them well - etc. Bad tenants and turnovers (and god forbid evictions and lawsuits) are by far a higher cost and waste of time than a few bucks for a background check and a few bucks less in rent.
Call the cops the first time and no one will ever know it was you. Yes, agree, unless you play that card all the time - people will eventually find out.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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To the OP - If you go over to visit, just be sure to have a plan as to what you will say should they make some sort of comment like "Hope it's not too bothersome when our friends come over; some of them can get a little loud." Without a plan, you're like to be uncomfortable and dismiss it instead of dealing with the issue.
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steve shea
climber
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Yes I agree that a lease is implied. But the difference is that the term of the lease is also implied not explicit. 30 days no more. It is renewed every month on rent payment. I'm not a lawyer but I have consulted with an attorney on this and am on firm ground to enforce our agreed upon contact. Maybe Wyoming is the last and best of the old west but that's how we do it. Maybe having such a transient renter pool is acknowledged. At the end of ski season many want to leave anyway and a lease, remember, makes the renter responsible for the entire term of the lease, all the rent. It's pain to break a lease. At least in this state.
Anyway, to the OP, we clearly advise civil behavior if they want to live in our places. Whether the owner or the management co. is responsible for delivering the message, it is the way to go to try to avoid this kind of disturbing the peace crap.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Deserves to be repeated.
"Whether the owner or the management co. is responsible for delivering the message, it is the way to go to try to avoid this kind of disturbing the peace crap."
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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IMO, you can and should write a month-month lease, no reason not to, term is 30 days. It will renew itself automatically after the first month, until someone gives notice to move out - usually 30-60 days in advance. It's what you are doing now, except you have given up control of the terms. If there were ever a conflict, a tenant could "forget" the terms and say anything to a judge, and as I'm sure you've at least read somewhere, the sh#t goes downhill from there.
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steve shea
climber
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F'it ain't broke... Believe that we have things in control. Constant communication among others. I'm a hands on landlord. No mgmt. co. for us. I've worked too hard to give up control.
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