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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 1, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
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I live in a working class neighborhood in Redwood City CA. Families , a few retirees , and couples similar to my girlfriend and I (we're 33, both school teachers) . No students or many young people in general. There is one house, two houses to our right , that is frequently making noise and having parties . This includes many cars of their friends taking up parking spaces in the neighborhood , trash being left in the gutters by their friends , and just a general high level of noise and voices coming from the house . I can hear them in my living room sometimes . It frustrates me.
They often rev their engines . Loud music from them is not an issue , it's mainly just amount of people at the house coming and going on a quiet street, and the HIGH volume of noise and voices coming from their get togethers.
At this point I have not said anything . I'm thinking of going over there today and just asking them to please turn it down , or take their drinking inside . Maybe a letter ? Talk to other neighbors? I don't really want to call police , I'm not even sure they're breaking any laws.
Any advice or pointers is appreciated . Maybe I'm being too sensitive about it .... It really irks me...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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They're probably renting.
If they are, find out who the landlord is, and talk with them.
Doesn't sound like these folks are the types who would benefit from you visiting them. Might be best if they don't know where their soon to be newfound trouble came from.
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Good one salad :)
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2014 - 06:12pm PT
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I totally get that salad, thanks for the reminder , it is about perspective , I wish I could let it roll off my back ....
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Edge
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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I would start with a flaming bag of poo. It won't help the situation, but you may feel better afterwards.
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salad
Big Wall climber
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yeah I get it Dapper... just go speak with them. it doesn't sound like they are not approachable. reasonable people will always try to work out a good solution if you approach them with honesty and most importantly a smile. the more serious steps (cops, landlords, etc) will still exist, but are far more likely to have a negative effect if they are the first action taken.
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Einstein
climber
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McLoad, you are a load of Shiite! It is aholes like you that make life miserable for everyone else trying to lead a peaceful life. Idiot neighbors like Dan has should be shipped out of town. Quit pushing your idea of "fun" on those around you. You are just a punk.
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overwatch
climber
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Get the apparent hardcore badass mc loud to take care of it for you
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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I had a group just like that rent a few doors down from us last year.
Loud music, parties every weekend, babes, fast cars and motorcycles, laughter and what seemed like endless fun.
It was like a entering a time machine.
Now that they are gone, it's quiet again and the peace that surrounds us is fine, I guess.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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They're probably renting.
If they are, find out who the landlord is, and talk with them.
Doesn't sound like these folks are the types who would benefit from you visiting them. Might be best if they don't know where their soon to be newfound trouble came from.
Chaz has it right, and do not let anyone know it is you, be "anonymous" to the owner
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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some funny shite here, but all seriousness aside - and this comes from the viewpoint of a landlord - talk with them. Moreover, get your two or more of your other neighbors to talk with them independently. At the same time, quietly inform the landlord, who may not be aware of what's going on with their property. A little feedback from several sources produces less unintended consequences than the full frontal assault.
If that doesn't work, put a live Great White on their front doorstep and ring the doorbell. This is where a GoPro really comes into its own.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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I would NOT approach them. They will not change based on your visit, this never happens, the most likely and probable outcome, no matter how kind and friendly you thought the encounter was, is actually to get vandalized one night.
Yes, probably renters, if so, as a landlord myself, I can say this will only be slightly more effective. You can, however, bask in the instant karma that the place is likely getting trashed and both tenant and landlord will be splitting the costs. Do call them and encourage better screening, but don't expect anything until the lease is up.
All that said, call the cops. Period. It's what they do. Ask to remain anonymous. What they are doing is not legal. You pretty much can't make noise neighbors hear inside their closed homes on a continual basis anywhere.
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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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Don't talk to them. It will likely only lead to ill will towards you. Call the police. They are almost certainly breaking a noise ordinance. This is why these ordinances exist. Good luck.
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salad
Big Wall climber
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omg I hear my neighbors!!! call the cops! god forbid I be a human being and have a discussion with someone before calling the authorities.
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
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I would NOT approach them. They will not change based on your visit, this never happens, the most likely and probable outcome, no matter how kind and friendly you thought the encounter was, is actually to get vandalized one night.
This is exactly what has kept me from approaching them or saying much so far . We are gone 10 - 12 hours a day at work . We go on weekend trips frequently . It would be so easy for someone to vandilize our vehicles or property while we are gone .
I have no intention of calling police , I disdain the idea .
Thanks for the advice so far ...
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Write a nice, polite letter to them explaining what you're experiencing and cite that while they have the right to enjoy themselves in their own home perhaps they don't realize the noise and disturbance they're causing to others around them. Give examples.
Make it anonymous and sign it from "your neighbors".
If that doesn't help try to locate their landlord if they are renters and approach the problem the same way - don't put the landlord on the defensive either. You get a lot more with an ounce of sugar than a gallon of gall. Or you may get nothing.
Failing those things, you may have to call the police if they get particularly loud. You also may have to move, unfortunately.
We have had a lot of noise problems with people in the building next door to ours. I finally got ahold of the landlord and approach him with examples when there's a problem. We used to just call the police on his tenants but I didn't want to waste the cops' time on stuff like this.
Good luck!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Yes, that is what the cops do.
They could be doing something more useful if more people would stop assuming and just go speak with each other. Its not that hard. There are a whole raft of assumptions in the 'call the cops' model - you'll be retaliated against! etc.
The reality is, you really don't know these people at all. Getting to know them, even a little bit, may well have the greatest chance of success in getting them to grant you and your neighbors a little consideration. A little lack of anonymity can go a long way in that regard.
Giving people the benefit of the doubt and leaving coercive force as a last resort isn't naive - it's a more effective way to resolve potential conflict. Personally, I view the opinion of folks who wish ill will on the landlord and their tenants right off the bat - the Punishment model of dealing with other hairless monkeys - as suspect on its face.
The cops should be a last resort, IMO. You can always call them if Plan A doesn't work. It's an opportunity cost thing - if they're at your neighbors door because no one was willing to even speak with them - then they're NOT out preventing or responding to more urgent business.
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