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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:55am PT
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Apoge. Your impression that everyone likes your dog is the #1 problem with 100% of dog owners/slaves. Everyone does Not like your dog. many folks are just being polite. The reality is that for every one crag dog that is cool there are 10 that are a PINTA yet every dog slave (human) thinks their master (dog) is the best thing since canned beer....
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 25, 2013 - 09:09am PT
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How many of you would have told this guy that dogs don't belong at the crag?
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 25, 2013 - 09:16am PT
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Nice picture of Kor Philo.
Sadie May trying to look cute:
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 25, 2013 - 09:18am PT
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Sadie Mae doesn't have to try. What a cutie.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 25, 2013 - 09:47am PT
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Good one Happie
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Apr 25, 2013 - 09:49am PT
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I am a dog owner who believes that dogs have no place at the crags. It's kinda like lighting up a cigarette in a non smoking area. I'm also a non-smoker, and am offended my someone smoking nearby, but am normally too polite to tell them to Fuk off! Dog owners sometimes think everybody loves MY dog. Leave 'em at home. If bringing a dog to the crag offends just ONE person, that's too many.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 25, 2013 - 09:53am PT
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InDOGnito
InDREDnito
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Apr 25, 2013 - 10:13am PT
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A point which should be made to the original poster: anytime there's wanton destruction of wildlife involved, call the Game and Fish district Warden. G & F is usually responsible for enforcement of that sort of action, regardless of where it occurs. In my state, it's completely lawful to shoot the dog while in the act of destruction or harassment of wildlife.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 25, 2013 - 10:30am PT
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That is the thing Warbler, it is not a black & white issue. There are dogs that should not go to the rocks and their humans should know it. But then again there are canines that are perfect "Crag Dogs" and are a joy to be around.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 25, 2013 - 10:39am PT
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Everyone does Not like your dog. many folks are just being polite.
And I feel the same about most of you. For every cool person I meet at the crag, there are 100 fukhead who think I want to listen to them spray about 5.blahblahblah and flashing this and grab that hold like this.
Deal with it.
It's kinda like lighting up a cigarette in a non smoking area.
Nope.
but the first two, pot and booze at the crag, are probably the most common, and I think it's a stretch to compare their impact to a problem dog's.
I've picked up way more beer bottles left by others at the crag than dog poop.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 25, 2013 - 10:49am PT
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But then again there are canines that are perfect "Crag Dogs" ...
This is true. Rare, from what I've seen, but they exist.
^^^ Anyone who knows or has met my Goldie girl knows that to be a troofatude.
Now taking dogs to the pool is a different story.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 25, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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I am a dog owner who believes that dogs have no place at the crags. It's kinda like lighting up a cigarette in a non smoking area. I'm also a non-smoker, and am offended my someone smoking nearby, but am normally too polite to tell them to Fuk off! Dog owners sometimes think everybody loves MY dog. Leave 'em at home. If bringing a dog to the crag offends just ONE person, that's too many.
I knew this would degenerate into a standard dogs at the crag thread, but... must... speak... up.
I am a dog owner. About 1/2 of the dogs I've owned I'd bring to the crags (but I'd never leave them alone and do a multi-pitch) and 1/2 I'd leave at home. Only one would I let off leash at times, and I'd put him back on leash if I saw anyone offended by that. The ones I bring belong at the crags IMO.
Some crags are no dog areas, some allow dogs, so smokers in a non-smoking area isn't a good analogy. At crags where dogs are allowed it IS similar to smokers there. I'd rather not see smokers, but I'm not so self centered as to think, "I think smoking is lame so I don't want to even see them". They have the right to smoke in a smoking area (e.g an outdoor crag). However if a smoker's smoke gets in my face (or a dog gets in your stuff) or a smoker litters their butts (or a dog owner leaves a dog poop), then sure you have the right to be pissed because your experience is being negatively effected. And I can and have said things in those situations. Typically though the people who do that kind of thing don't care.
So people can claim all they want about how dogs don't belong at the crags, but I don't really care, my dog's and my right to be there without causing any problems is greater than their right to simply be free of seeing a dog.
I don't think everybody likes even my most well behaved dog. I can see their expressions and body language. I just don't really care if someone has a problem with something that shouldn't bother them.
In my experience 1-2 dogs out of 10 cause a problem, but even that is way too much. But at the Leap where people leave dogs alone it's more like 50% are a problem.
So it sucks that there's so many owners letting their dogs cause problems, but I'm not going to let that screw up what I want to do when I 'play by the rules'.
BTW at Auburn as mentioned the majority of dogs there aren't even with climbers so even if no climbers brought dogs you'd have to deal with them anyway.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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Do you smoke pot, at the crag?
Do you drink alcohol at the crag?
Do you play music without using personal earphones(that don't let the sound spill over to be heard by others) at the crag?
Do you allow your children to be freewheeling and have running around at the crag? If your child is an infant, have you recently brought that child into an are where there was even the most remote possibility of something falling from above and taking them out in the blink of an eye?
Have you brought your antagonistic relationship; the one in which you find yourselves bickering regardless of the fact others are witnessing it, to the crag?
Have you screamed like a two-year old having a tantrum when you can't pull the crux on a route you are redpointing?
Have you brought a bevy of others who barely climb to the crag and hung topropes, and then set up for a day of picnicking and (very little actual) climbing at the crag?
i can honestly say i do not do any of that sh#t. as for beer bottles at the crag 99% of the beer bottles and cans i pick up are from day hikers not climbers.
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Chapel Hill, NC
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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Never met a dog at the crag I didn't like.
Bring em!
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
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I have two dogs.
One, I would never think of bringing, he'd be a PITA and I'd have to keep an eye on him.
The other, I'd never think of leaving at home. He knows the deal. He may cruise around and wag his tail at others, and approach if it seems wanted. Doesn't chase things. Sits at the base of multi pitch climbs waiting for me. I don't have to watch him closely, he's nine and has been climbing with me since I got him at eight weeks.
So, there's no cut and dry answer. It's like humans, some you don't want to be associated with at the crag. Others make you look good just for being there with them.
Woof!
Edit; one thing I taught my older dog from the get-go was the command 'Self Entertain'. If he's harassing me to play stick or ball with him and I'm not into it, I tell him in a stern voice to self entertain. No kidding, he doesn't take it as a command to go away, he will take his stick or ball to the top of an incline and nudge it downhill with his nose, jump on it, chew it, and repeat. He will do this every time I tell him.
It's a good command to teach your dog, though many dogs may lack the brains to learn it.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
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Brandon are you sure he sits there patiently? You aren't there. A couple times I've seen dogs completely change personality once their owners were out if sight. When the owners returned it was all tail wagging and happy. When I told the owners this they doubted me. But when I told one of them a guy was throwing rocks at his dog because it was being aggressive/territorial he believed me.
I'd suggest spying on your dog from a distance to make sure and keep in mind some
Asshole may attack or walk off with your dog.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 25, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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Indeed. I spied on him quite a few times before I trusted him unsupervised. I found that he would wander up to 20 meters but not cause any trouble. That said, I only leave him alone unleashed for long periods when appropriate. If it's a multi pitch crag with a bunch of other parties, I won't bring him.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Apr 25, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
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Goldie looks like a great companion and friend Philo.
But as a belayer, I'd train her to stay awake at least:-) Maybe share a little AM coffee in the dog bowl? LOL
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