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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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What's wrong with Obamacare?
Got a better idea?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:24pm PT
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Well, they start from a very low set bar.
Hell, Andy Jackson even ran the first free gubmint cheese program.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
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So how many of those on the dole in those 'Red' states are Dems?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
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Your average Democrat is......more intelligent than your average Republican. State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:08pm PT
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I love that (new?) argument that goes around trying to depict anyone that's liberal as "not tolerant" of intolerant people. It's an odd kind of logical fallacy that I can't quite put my finger on. But to them, I say, remember that our country was founded during "the enlightenment" and as such, expresses enlightenment-era values at its core. These values include, but are not limited to, things like freedom, reason, access to information, democracy, etc. The whole idea of it is to create a society that doesn't infringe on the freedoms of its individual members and their varied backgrounds and individual cultures. I suppose you can boil it down to: you can't tell someone what to do if they're doing nothing wrong (I.e. not infringing upon someone else's freedoms). So to take a classic example of something like gay marriage: if you're a republican and you want to be left alone and not heckled when you say hateful things about gays, you have to realize that you're f*#king with the core values of America when you demand the right to hate others of a particular group. What if you get what you want? Gay people can't marry or whatever. Do you want to put them in jail? Execute them? Where do you draw the line in terms of trying to take away another human's freedom? That's the whole point of this country, to have a place where you can be free and do your thing regardless of "religion, race, or creed". If your religion is the source of your distaste for gay marriage, for example, that's just your problem. Do we ban religion because it makes certain people hate other people? No one gets the right to decide what other people do, am I right? I mean, do you want people to tell you that you can't have guns? It's the same thing. If a dude wants to marry a dude, that's like you owning a gun. Some would say "that's f*#ked up", and perhaps they'd be right...or wrong...but it doesn't matter as long as everyone's basic freedom as a human isn't in question. So I say, stop that bullshit argument that sounds like, "aw come on, don't take away our right to be hateful oppressive bigots that wish to rob others of their freedoms as we deem appropriate..."
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
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State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.
That inhabitants of blue states are unAmerican egghead intellectuals?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
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Having a problem finding the source, so forgive me, but I heard sometime last year that some of the most stridently conservative inland California counties also use the most government support. I'll keep looking for the source on that...
Charles
That doesn't surprise me, because the inland counties have huge unemployment problems. And as someone else has already suggested, I suspect that most of the recipients of government largesse here aren't Republicans.
I would add, though, that not all recipients of government largesse here are poor. I can think of several large farmers that live off the government dole, but then, many are Democrats.
Also, to the extent Social Security and Medicare constitute government expenditures, if the "red" states have disproportionate numbers of such recipients, that may explain the disparity.
Before the donkeys start to talk about the hypocrisy of wanting smaller government while collecting Social Security and Medicare, I would point out that it's not hypocritical to say "I wish I hadn't been required to pay for Social Security and Medicare" while, at the same time, collecting it. It would only be hypocritical if you gave them back all that was paid in on their behalf, and they then still insisted on receiving the same benefits.
John
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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The inland counties are where most of the state prisons are located.
Subtract prison spending, and run those numbers again. You'll see different results.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
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"Average" Democrat. LOLz. It's the most diverse party our country has ever seen. Standing in stark, stark contrast to the overwhelmingly angry white geriatric obese male party.
To pretend that there is any such thing as an "average", in conversational use of the word, democrat is comical.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
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State IQ statistics for 2012 show that residents of the blue states have, across the board, higher average IQ's than the residents of the red states. You don't have to belong to Mensa to know what that infers.
That inhabitants of blue states are unAmerican egghead intellectuals?
Actually, Anders, Daniel Patrick Moynihan had an explanation that I think you'd like: The closer the state is to the Canadian border, the higher the average IQ.
In truth, I'm unaware of any state IQ statistics that aren't derived from standardized achievement testing. The latter testing differs from IQ, because the achievement necessarily depends on such factors as the proportion of proficient English speakers, and this is somewhat correlated with the latitude of the state involved. So while the disparate statistics (which, incidentally, don't reflect the difference Jim alleges) aren't unAmerican, maybe it does help to live closer to you Canadians.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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To pretend that there is any such thing as an "average", in conversational use of the word, democrat is comical.
Or to quote Will Rogers, "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."
John
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
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Perhaps sanity and intelligence are a function of the distance one lives from the equator. Them Inuit is smart cookies.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 30, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
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"...it's not hypocritical to say "I wish I hadn't been required to pay for Social Security and Medicare" while, at the same time, collecting it."
Yeah, it's easy to say that...reality is a whole different set of circumstances, though.
But just for the hell of it...let's say the GOP's wet dream was fulfilled, and SS & Medicare were wiped out completely tomorrow.
What would replace it? Private investment strategies that continue to be unregulated, and treat the investors as dumb piggybanks to be robbed?
Privately held medical insurance programs that maintain the shareholder's interests over the patient?
No thanks.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Oct 30, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
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Well where are the responses to the questions I posed? Ron, Hawkeye, TGT, Corniss Chopper, etc?
No well thought out replies---what I expected actually. You would have to think, reason, and type. Way to hard of work to expect a Zomney supporter to do, especially when they have to search for brains.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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Well, not to change the subject, but it looks like Obama care is getting off very strong.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 30, 2012 - 10:38pm PT
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Gooble Gobble
Don't expect any explanations here, watch the film and figure it out yourself
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 30, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
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Ron! Re your mention up-forum:
Yes high IQers.. Worked with several of those in the USFS... Quite bright they thought themselves to be.. Yet as ignorant of the actual forest and things real that they seemed all but brain dead.
I once had a forester -brilliant by test standards tell me of a three month old plantation with missle toe.. Then i pointed out to them they were looking at a 35 to 40 yr old banzai jeffery pine.. They said,,,, ohhhwwwww....Then i went on to tell them about missle toe and the fact it takes at least two years to manifest to a visible infection..To which they said,, ohhhhwwww....
I would be more impressed with your story, if you spelled Mistletoe correctly. Every Forest Sevice employee I ever worked with in Idaho called it Dwarfmistletoe, since it is only distantly related to English Mistletoe.
http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/fidls/d_fir/dmistletoe.htm
Yeah, but the smart guy didn't know schist. Must have been a Democrat.
You being a Forest Cop, obviously had the science down.
Yep!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Oct 30, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
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Ron my dad once told me he doesn't know everything but he can find out who to ask, once you find someone with the experience your looking for--ask, listen, and do what they say. In the bolting case I asked more than just you. I want to put up quality and am willing to be patient, prepare, plan, and execute.
Why can't you answer the questions?
1)Should Obama have not accounted for the expenditures accumulated under Bush for the Iraq war in our budget or debt?
2)Should we continue using the Federal Reserve (central bank) system opposed by the founding father's due to the debt attached to every dollar printed (among other reasons? Why?
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