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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Why a Sikh temple?
It's a gun-free zone.
Nobody ever shoots up a police station or a Guard armory.
I wouldn't count on the Sikh to be unarmed either. They have a warrior reputation in India, each one carries a ceremonial knife, and their history involves being primary fighters against Muslim invaders back in the day
as for this society, seems like movies and TV have made the image of mass killing more accessible to more people and so the option is in the minds of sickos once they lose it.
Otherwise, our society has got better than back when Women couldn't vote, marry a black guy and going to war to create empire was tolerated
Peace
Karl
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healyje
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Portland, Oregon
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Pretty simple, no auto or semi-automatics, no big clips, every weapon chipped, all gun sales / transfers screened and all weapons registered. Dedicate a billion dollars to gun buyback programs, mandatory sentencing for crimes involving a weapon, mandatory registration of all existing weapons. Clamp down hard on gun shows, institute a single gun sales clearinghouse and any gun dealer shown to be a conduit for n number of weapons used in crimes gets banned from the trade for life.
Nobody is driving or flying unregistered vehicles and we don't dispense drugs in either an unregulated manner or at drug shows. There is nothing about the problem that is any sort of issue from a technical, administrative, enforcement perspective, it's strictly a political issue. We sell weapons and ammunition with no legitimate hunting or self defense use and it should stop.
Any government takeover is going to happen at food, water, and gasoline distribution points, not on the streets. The notion of armed defense against the government is utterly ridiculous and only exists in white middle age male fantasies, nut balls, and the mentally ill.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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^^^ +10 ^^^
There you go Jody, some real and tangible suggestions.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Officials name suspect in deadly Sikh temple shooting
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-suspect-sikh-shooting-named-20120806,0,3318009.story
By Molly Hennessy-Fiske and Michael Muskal
August 6, 2012, 6:42 a.m.
OAK CREEK, Wisc. -- Wade Michael Page, an Army veteran who was a “psychological operations specialist,” was identified as the gunman in a deadly Sikh temple shooting, officials said Monday morning.
As authorities searched for a motive in the Sunday attack, the first picture of the assailant began to emerge. Page died in a shootout with police outside the temple in suburban Milwaukee. In all, seven people, including the suspect, were dead and three others were critically wounded in what police have labeled an act of domestic terrorism.
Page had served in the Army from April 1992 to October 1998. His last rank when he was discharged was specialist E-4, an Army spokeswoman said in a telephone interview with the Los Angeles Times. He had no deployments overseas, she said.
PHOTOS: Gunman opened fire at Sikh temple
Page did his training at Fort Sill in Oklahoma, then was transferred to Fort Bliss in Texas, finishing his career at Fort Bragg where he served as a “psychological operations specialist,” she said. There were no immediate details on what were his duties.
Among his awards were the Army commendation medal; five Army achievement medals; two Army good conduct medals; a National Defense Service medal; and a Humanitarian Service medal, according to the Pentagon. Page had also received a parachutist badge, indicating he had successfully attended training.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Page did his training at Fort Sill in Oklahoma, then was transferred to Fort Bliss in Texas, finishing his career at Fort Bragg where he served as a “psychological operations specialist,” she said. There were no immediate details on what were his duties.
Perhaps a case of the brainwasher being brainwashed.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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The more heterogeneous a society, the bigger the underlying social tensions are. Compound this country's racial diversity with a collapsed economy and a completely corrupt political system and you have the perfect storm. No, not the end of the world for all, but certainly the beginning of massive changes.
Sheeple and children look to what's in a madman's hands. They run to other side of the pasture and say that guns/bombs/knives are Baaaaaaaaad. I say it matters not, you have to do the tough work and understand this great will to do harm. The real issues that lie at the heart of mass murder events are not going to be solved with more legislation from the same powers that are a part of the problem.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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The notion of armed defense against the government is utterly ridiculous and only exists in white middle age male fantasies,
Oh No, Ron & Jody have it covered they can stand up to evil gubmint tanks and gun ships with all their shiny pop guns and hoarded ammo.
Now don't we all feel safer.
nut balls, and the mentally ill.
Indeed.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Ricky: "Just add to healyje's list monitoring military veterans after their discharg for evidence of this type of behavior. Once again the shooter was an Army veteran. White male military vets, our biggest domestic terrorist threat".
As one of the very few vets who hangs out here I find this comment insulting, not to mention wrong! Can you name, other then the current flavor of the day mass murderer, the ones who were also military vets? Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine, none of those guys were vets. I'm sure there are vets that done the deed but your statement is bigoted in it's myopia.
I would suggest we monitor all current and former LEO types due to their black and white view of reality when viewed thru the prism of race and demographics.
yeah, yeah I know, this is the same kind of statement Ricky made.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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All good suggestions...and all have been mentioned before, in one of the dozens of past gun threads.
Problem is...you guys don't want to hear them, and sure as hell won't accept any of them.
Have fun, Jody...see you in the next gun massacre thread....
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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Jody, please come back...don't leave us with here all alone with Ron...
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Ron, Jamestown was the first settlement (discounting Roanoke) in the U.S. It predates the pilgrims and was established solely for economic gain. Reconcile that with your statement
"America was MADE by those that sought to DISTANCE themselves from the old worlds right?"
How is investing in a money making venture considered something new? Those fuktards the Virginia Co. sent didn't even know how to keep themselves alive and in fact, some had to resort to cannibalism to survive. It wasn't about a new world order, it was about making bank. Nothing new there.
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Can't say he was suffering from PTSD. No overseas deployment, no firefights with Taliban or Al-Queda, no house to house combat. Sounds like just another ignorant as#@&%e.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jesus H. writes:
"Ummm... Hitler explicitly used what we did to the tribes as his model."
You mean the Jews would be running the casinos in Germany if the Nazis had prevailed?
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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"Your efforts in Vietnam? Really? Money pumped into their culture....how about bullets pumped into their people. "
Yes, jmes...remember, the primary Republican method for bringing democracy to the world is with a gun in one hand, and a bible in the other.
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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uhhh, mr anderson, i was talking about the sikh temple shooter...not yourself? you should calm down sir, before your head explodes.
p.s. genocide is genocide whether in ovens or a hostile takeover of land. Whitey wiped out vast swaths of the indigenous populations in the americas over 400 years. sounds like genocide to me. our foreign policy advocates genocide under the guise of nation building, regime change, etc. sorta like manifest destiny. go west, go east, go wherever the f*#k you want and take it!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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The killer was a 40 year old white guy
heavily tatooed
ex military
ties to "skin head" groups - profile of hate for Jews, blacks, homos, everyone not white
arrested mental development, sees people wearing turbans, he does not wear a turban
they are not like me, a good patriotic white American
I hate them, because they are so different from me and I don't have any interest in wanting to understand them or their culture
hate is delicious, intoxicating, empowering
kill as many of them turban wearers as I can
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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No problems sir, things get all heted up here on the net...
But that guy was an angry redneck as#@&%e whose bigoted brain was probably cooking like a crockpot... Why dont these shitstains ever pick fights with people who can fight back? Go take on a police station if your so bad-assed.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Report: Alleged Shooter Was Former Member Of Skinhead Band
From the Southern Poverty Law Center:
The man who allegedly murdered six people at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee yesterday, identified in media reports as Wade Michael Page, was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band.
In 2010, Page, then the leader of the band End Apathy, gave an interview to the white supremacist website Label 56. He said that when he started the band in 2005, its name reflected his wish to “figure out how to end people’s apathetic ways” and start “moving forward.” “I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back,” Page said.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
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