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klk
Trad climber
cali
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yeah, i'd rather see it sink into the pumice. painful to go back now and see all those acres of spectacularly hideous buildings.
but i dont live there. might feel different if i did.
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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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No doubt Cragman. Hopefully a big winter is coming next year. You guys need it. The good news is, no matter what the economy, still a great place to be.
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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If you ever wanted an eastside place, prices will likely be plummeting.
might be a good deal. however, if the population leaves, so will jobs.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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There was good skiing to be had this winter, not a lot, but there were great days. On other days, Mammoth keeps snow with the best of them.
As for the economy, it's tourism, water, power, cattle, and every once an a while mining.
The Town of Mammoth Lakes, with a budget of roughly $15 million a year, gets the bulk (2/3?)of it's money from the hotels in the form of TOT, (transient occupancy tax.)
This fluctuates with the ski hill visits, since it is based on people coming to stay in hotels.
I have also been told that MLLA, the developer, can only access so much of the town's funding since much of the TOT is tied to specific expenditures that were approved by voter initiative. I don't know if this is true, but I have been told that it would be illegal to spend much of this money on anything besides what voters approved, including the settlement.
As much fun as it is to laugh at the suffering of others, I sincerely hope the Town of Mammoth, and Mammoth Mountain, and people of Mammoth pull through this slump.
It's still a great ski hill, surrounded by fantastic public lands. Why so much hate?
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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As far as the commercial jets are concerned, I wonder if a bunch of them landing and taking off regularly would adversely affect the East Side wilderness/climbing experience. What do you all think? Could we end up with more of a Yosemite Valley in the summer type vibe on the East Side?
A judge ruled that the City breached their agreement, and cost the developer a lot of money, but no way they can raise that amount.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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The big jets aren't going to happen, never really were, and never will.
As for wilderness, the FAA did those studies. Agree or disagree, but the noise studies were done, and commercial air service started.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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i havent seen much of folks hating on mammoth. i see a fair bit of what i see elsewhere on this site-- a lot of folks in their forties, fifties and sixties who acclimated to a particular kind of landscape and are now unhappy to see it changing.
a lot of us-- here i can include myself --think of the older mammoth as livable in ways that a vail isn't. much of the animosity is unhappiness that mammoth seems to have been trying to make itself into a sierra version of one of the corporate ski resorts aimed at a luxury clientele.
as much as i hate to see that place change in these kinds of ways, i appreciate that a lot of folks believe that's the best shot mammoth and many other ski towns have of navigating the 21st century. and if i were a longterm mammoth resident i might well be among those trying to make it happen.
although i would be making all kinds of noise about how frickin ugly architecture.
heh
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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I love Mammoth, learned how to ski there, owned a house there, went to Hot Creek and Whiskey Creek and miss the way it was when I spent alot more time there. Loved it in the Fall when no one was around and the weather was just beginning to turn. Loved running up to the lakes or past the main lodge to gaze at the Minarets at sunset.
I don't think it will ever become the destination resort that folks are/were hoping to make it into. It's a big mountain alright, but it's covered with heavy snow. I was blown away (just like the light fluffy snow) the first time I skied in Utah.
Like was said upstream, if I get on a plane to go somewhere to downhill ski it's gonna be Colorado or Utah. I'd rather visit Mammoth as it was in the good old days.
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