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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 12, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
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Jingy said:
What gives you the privilege of spouting your narrow-minded biblical views.
You say you are all for freedom, but only within the narrow-minded, desert dwellers writings about a god.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 12, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
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Ron, my neighbors are two women in their sixties that have been together for 35 years.
I don't know if their naked bodies actually touch, as in true "lesbians".
So let's disregard any personal physical revulsion thing in this, ok.
I do know that they like each other and would like to formalize that with marriage.
If brought up for a vote, you would support these women's desire to marry, right?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 12, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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But when a GAY soldier removes his companies and the nations flag replacing it with a gay pride flag, things have gone way to far
I think damn near everyone would agree that would be against military law, and also
a very stupid thing to do.
But where did you get this from Ron, that a gay soldier did that?
I did not even know there was such a thing as a "gay flag".
Do you have a link to where you read of this happening?
I just can't believe this ever happened but it must have because you brought it up?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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May 12, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
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locker has the most intelligent post in this thread.
apparently the glue is working.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 12, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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Beat me to it
Ron, you are wrong.
There certainly IS a "straight flag" which you said did not exist.
Gee, it takes all of 10 seconds to do a quick internet search to find stuff out.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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May 12, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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Agreed Locker. I just want them to be given the opportunity to sit at the table. :)
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zBrown
Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
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May 12, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
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What you say? Keep it natural and always wear Da Brim.
Or he'll kick your ass.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 12, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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Rony said:
You all seem to be attempting to label me some sort of gay basher-- well in all honesty, if i were to ever run into that homo-pedophile that tried to molest me,,i would give the term gay bashing a very visceral new meaning-remember im a TAXIDERMIST! But i do have gay, and used to be gay freinds but they act just like any other of the non gay freinds i have- you WONT see them in any such picture like Locker posted above.
Rony,
I am not trying to label you some sort of gay basher.
But just reading through this thread I got the impression you have some very strong anti same sex feelings, and that's why I asked you if you had a problem with same sex marriage, and you said no you did not, so naturally I was confused where you stand.
And yes, if I had the same experience as a child that you had, I probably would feel the same way you do.
And Rony? I have the same revulsion for in your face gay behavior as you have.
And I also feel the same contempt for heterosexual couples who are openly pawing at each other in public, and can get meet in Las Vegas, get coked up, and are allowed to marry an hour later at the cute little "Wedding Chapel", one of many absurd examples.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 12, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
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Ron, a stupid idea on the part of whoever put up the gay flag.
You are showing a link from an "atheist" website that is actually pointing out that the
author of that article is Tony Perkins, who is a strict fundamentalist Christian, and his
organization is labeled a "Hate Group".
Perkins used that gay flag thing to assume, maybe so, that the Muslims serving over there will kill US soldiers because they strongly oppose homosexuality themselves.
Perkins fails to mention that was pisses off Muslims even more than gays is seeing any symbol of the Christian faith, like crosses they see every day on bases.
Despite being around "Christians" in US uniforms all the time, there has been no known killing of a US soldier simply for being a Christian, they get killed by Afghan soldiers because they are Americans, or British, etc.
So, Perkins is flat wrong for stating that a brief gay flag thing will endanger US soldiers.
This is classic fear mongering, using his own anti same sex attitude to drum up alarm and fear among anyone who will listen to him
The Atheist web site you linked to is using Perkins words to show the ignorance and hypocrisy of his own closed mindedness and eagerness to rev up gay hatred.
Knowing your own acceptance of same sex equality you have stated here, I am sure you would agree!
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 14, 2012 - 10:19am PT
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Defending Bible marriage? This is what the Bible writes about marriage. Do you support this kind of marriage being legal? What are your reasons for going against "God's law" here but suggesting society can't legally sanction other views of marriage?
Really, how do you justify the difference between biblical marriage (which is NOT between one man and one woman) and Gay marriage?
Peace
Karl
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 14, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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I take it then, Ron, that you would prefer that President Obama should have come out in favor of urging congress to pass a Federal law overriding state's rights mandating same sex marriage in every state?
That IS your point, right?
obama is all for it,,,"but its up to the states"...That ladies and germs is a TAP DANCE-
I presume so, because you are clearly saying the President should not have said his
personal opinion was that it should be left up to each individual state.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired in Appalachia
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May 14, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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Christians who oppose gay rights seem to have a complete lack of understanding of the basis for our contitutional form of government and the philosophical development of western democracy (by Rousseau, Locke, etc.).
Consenting adults are free to do what ever they want with other consenting adults, so long as other people's rights are not infringed in the process. It's called F-R-E-E-D-O-M.
Christians must get that concept through their thick Neanderthal skulls.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 14, 2012 - 11:44am PT
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And obamas statemewnt was meant for one thing--to stir up the pot to collect up coming votes period...
you clearly agree with Obama about it being left up to the states.
you are joking a little here, right Ron?
This country is pretty evenly split about same sex marriage.
Many pretty shrewd political analysts are saying the President's personal opinion likely
cost him many votes, especially in key election swing states where polling shows the majority of people are opposed to same sex marriage.
Why would you conclude those analysts are wrong?
Are you seeing some new polling?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 14, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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"i said then not to expect any change whatsoever...It would appear i was correct."
Well......YAY!
I'm sure that's the first time anyone predicted that a politician would disappoint. Congratulations!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 14, 2012 - 11:47am PT
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And why aren't you criticizing Romney for speaking out against same sex marriage?
Isn't also then "guilty" of pandering to get votes, or is is only when President Obama gives his personal opinion?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 14, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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ah!
So your criticism is not with the President, but with congress from 2008-2010.
And you blame the Democrats in those years for not passing a bill that would force
every state to allow same sex marriage.
But you personally agree with Obama that it should be left up to the states.
?, kind of contradictory huh?
And you have no equal criticism of the Republicans who had eight years under Bush
to pass anything they wanted, right?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 14, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
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"The way i see it, our up coming election is like having to choose between Jeffrey Dahmmer, Ted Bundy and Charles Manson..."
Oh, stop being a bluering-drama-queen. Name ONE dramatic, direct, negative impact on your life since 1/20/09.
Then go ask a neighbor, friend, family member, etc who served in Iraq (or knows/related to someone) that same question. Kinda puts things in perspective, don't it
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 14, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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"....being a small businessman, i could list the negative affects for hours..."
As a fellow small businessman, I could say the same thing, except that it started LONG before 1/20/09. Sure, Obama's the guy in office right now so he's the target, but there's never been a POTUS who truly put a chicken in every pot. In terms of economic progress, relative to past POTUS's and their starting points, Obama's done about the same as any. Attributing small business collapse to Obama is ideologically narrow-minded.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 14, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
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A reminder Ron, the right wing pundits all said things would get worse under Obama. In fact things did not get worse, sure the recover is slow, but it is a recovery. The right would have bragging rights if they had predicted that as a result of Obama's election the recovery would be slow.
Same thing happened when Clinton got elected and re-elected, the sky did not fall and things actually improved.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 14, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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"well isnt that just the same ol same ol,,,lets keep blaming the past its so easy to do. "
Umm...yes & no.
If the economic legacy left to the POTUS is a positive one (i.e. Clinton>Shrub), then there isn't any talk about it. Just spend it.
If the economic legacy is a negative one, it's pretty hard not to remind the ideologically narrow-minded as to where it came, since they are sure to be playing that political card as hard as they can, no matter what the current economic reality is.
The GOP's only political strategy is speculating on what might have happened if Obama hadn't been in office. That's politics...always divorced from the reality of here & now, and scare & manipulate the voters with the unknown.
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